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Come on, there is nothing better than a really greasy meat pie and a pint of warm watered down tetleys with a packet of cheese and onion crisps
Well, we had steak pie last night and a bottle of Paradise Brewery ale to wash it down.

(I'm turning into a Wiganer anyway, I eat pies, drink mild...)
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Old 19.04.2007, 23:29
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In fact my missus is quite lower middle-class so I endlessly tease her about it and she does the same about my ruffian Genevan manners...Match made in heaven
If everybody looks the same then how can you tell the difference between the upper lower-class and the lower middle-class
I prefer to think of myself as scumbag made good so I'm not quite sure which of your league tables I should fall in to.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Oh come on Mikey, stop taking a light-hearted comment too seriously. Christ, being from Yorkshire and living in Zurich don't half make you a glum bugger

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Old 19.04.2007, 23:46
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Oh come on Mikey, stop taking a light-hearted comment too seriously. Christ, being from Yorkshire and living in Zurich don't half make you a glum bugger
All the talk about greasy pies and Tetleys is making me homesick
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

I was in Yorkshire just recently, in Keighley, to watch a football game, found a couple of excellent pubs, one had a full range of Timothy Taylor's ale, excellent stuff. Another brewery you want to keep an eye on is Copper Dragon in Skipton, excellent ales and lovely design for their crest.

Seriously, the comment about people in Northern England not being to keen on sticking out was not meant in spite but I've been here for a while now and it's something my mates (from Wigan so you can't get more typical Northerner than that really...) do agree, some see it as a blessing, a sign that they are plain folks talking as they think, some as a curse, they feel trapped and unable to be themselves. Strictly speaking, I doubt it's much different than if you go in much of Switzerland and quite a few other countries.

I personnaly enjoy the kind of solid community spirit I get in Wigan, it's a great change from Geneva and being foreign but well integrated, I have more freedom to enjoy whatever silliness I indulge into (currently growing long hair...), I don't get much of the "Who do you think you are" but rather "You silly foreigners".
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Timothy Taylors! Cheers....

But more to do with why to leave the UK in the first place (rather than Switzerland being a magnet), in yesterdays Times a 21 year old mother. together with her sisters and Mother, forced her 2 toddlers (2 & 3) to fight - punching in the face etc - so they could video it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1685545.ece

You'll find similar stories in the UK press all the time.
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Old 22.04.2007, 13:26
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Timothy Taylors! Cheers....

But more to do with why to leave the UK in the first place (rather than Switzerland being a magnet), in yesterdays Times a 21 year old mother. together with her sisters and Mother, forced her 2 toddlers (2 & 3) to fight - punching in the face etc - so they could video it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1685545.ece

You'll find similar stories in the UK press all the time.
Yes - you'll certainly find the newspapers and TV hyping up stories like this all the time because it gets viewers or sells papers. Unfortunately, such isolated incidents presented as 'typical' in the media gives rather a false impression of what the situation is.

Take for example the problem of child safety - thanks to a concentrated media campaign to convince everyone that there's a molester lurking around every corner most of the population are too scared to let their kids out of doors. In fact, to the best of my knowledge the actual statistics say the problem isn't any worse than it was 50 years ago.

'Binge drinking' is another favourite media target. Basically, the term has been invented to describe the way we've all been drinking since as long as I can remember. However, all of a sudden the newspapers and 24-hour News stations are focussing on it like it's some new dangerous phenomenon that's symptomatic of the sad state of the nation.

The real problem is that news 'reporting' is becoming another form of entertainment. With 24 hours of broadcasting time to fill on multiple channels and more and more newspapers to sell, the people who should be reporting important and pertinent stuff impartially are effectively making up 'issues' out of whatever takes their fancy. Look at the way that the 'royal break up' edged just about every other story (including hundreds of people killed in a single day in Iraq) out of the way last week. Look at the absolutely massive and disproportionate hoo-hah over the bullying 'issue' on Celeb Big Brother.

It's a complete circus and a sad state of affairs. It's only a matter of time until there are stations like Fox (so-called) News in the UK, stations which let's face it can only exist when the notion of proper news reporting goes out of the window.
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Old 22.04.2007, 15:04
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I knew next to nothing of Switzerland when I moved. I simply got a job offer (was living in Denmark at the time) and thought the job interesting, and the potential rewards good (nothing came off it (bubble burst)).

The country is very beautiful, standard of living is high, and the Swiss I find very relaxed, polite and down to earth people. I had zero problems with permits, insurance, flat, car, school for kids etc.

What I miss from Iceland is the drive people there have, nothing is impossible, and from Denmark I miss the pubs
Your middle phrase makes it sound very like New Zealand. And I don't really find the landscape here any more beautiful than home - you mean some countries DON'T look like NZ/Switzerland?

I don't know what it's like for someone coming to live in NZ for the first time, but I've had a helluva time just trying to figure out what to do for permits, insurance, flats etc here. Once I've found out it's been straightforward enough to get those arranged (if a little time-consuming).
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Timothy Taylors! Cheers....

But more to do with why to leave the UK in the first place (rather than Switzerland being a magnet), in yesterdays Times a 21 year old mother. together with her sisters and Mother, forced her 2 toddlers (2 & 3) to fight - punching in the face etc - so they could video it.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1685545.ece

You'll find similar stories in the UK press all the time.

And your point is what??

Good post from Gav - perspective it is called
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And your point is what??

Good post from Gav - perspective it is called
My point is there is more and more behaviour like this in the UK. My best mate is a teacher, taught at a school in a very good area in Buckinghamshire but had to give it up because of behaviour like this. Every time I go back to the UK you hear more and more stories like this, ie a general break down in behaviour. As I said, it is more to do with why to leave the UK in the first place (rather than Switzerland being a magnet).

Maybe I'm wrong and things like this happen in Switzerland as much as the UK? Please put me right if I am.

I do agree with Gav about the quality of journalism in the UK. It is becoming more and more trivial and "flavour of the moment". I read the Times for 15 years because it was serious and impartial. Once it went to tabloid I noticed (and now notice even more as I only get it a couple of times a month) how obsessed it is with celebrity culture, competitions and trivial stories. The leading articles and letters are worth reading, the rest is getting close to it's sister newspaper (if you can call it that) - that's the Sun BTW
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

No exactly the same here,except you could get lucky and get your head blown off, by someone who has his army rifle at home.

The 'blick' is the equivalent of the 'sun',terrible newspapers.
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I think they're great along as long as don't believe everything that's written. I think they serve a good purpose in embarrassing politicans and those that should know better. The "News of The World" in the UK for example has carried out many ground-breaking pieces of investigative journalism related to arms dealers. It's true that much of these paper contain sensationalist trivia, but they serve an important function in expressing the issues that the man in the street can easily consume and will read.

The Sun newspaper is regarded by many (including President Blair) as the most influential in the UK and regularly make or breaks careers. So you ignore it at your peril.

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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Well let me explan my brief experience in Geneva from September 2009 through April 2011 (unfortunately I am back to Italy but actively looking to move back again anywhere in Switzerland) - I am a tanker broker, I charter ships for oil companies or private traders, I am the intermediate person between the ship owner and who has to transport a cargo from A to B.Geneva of course is a big magnet as many and among the bigest trading companies in the oil and other commodities have moved there for various reasons, taxation,banks efficiency etc. Now personally speaking - the authorities first of all welcome you, I mean there is a problem they treat the matter like you made a mistake in good faith,they listen to you and you rectify this problem. Let s say you park the car in the wrong place and you get a ticket -within 15 days the police notify you, you have about 15 days or so to pay and if you dont after extra 15 days the police notify you again - if again you don t pay ,well they act , therefore in very short time frame you can close the matter. In italy for example, there is a mistake your side (in good faith) you are immediately punished .If you forget to pay the elctricity bill, say by 1 week, you better not to pay and wait for another bill the electricty board send to you with interest because, in case you pay with delay,automatically there will be a file open against you and when the bill comes with interests but you prove to have paid even with one week delay, will be impossible to have your first bill paid back.We have a lot of burocracy which doesn t work or at least the burocracy is totally against normal people. What ever problem you may have in Italy, to solve means other problems.Switzerland is just so perfect - rules are there to be respected,people have rights and duties and the authorities too and more over in Switzerland you don t have 33 different political parties like in Italy.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

^^ this goes in an Introductions post.

NOT in a 2007 thread....

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Debate time!

I don't intend to deny for a secon that in Switzerland, being confortably conformist is the better option to enjoy the place (although I'll strenuously argue that there is a fair minority of us who are creative, anti-conformists and open to new horizons including yours truly, obviously ) but isn't it the case for most rich countries?

I mean, the US "burbs" might be made to look sexy in TV series but in reality they make a small Swiss town look like an anarchist commune, the overiding ambition of a great big bunch of British is to buy a house as soon as possible, a car and consider the foreign food section at M&S as a fair representation of "exotic foods", Australians are a nice sort but they seem to have zero curiosity beyond enjoying a pint of lager and talking about sport. Italy and France are also very conformist places, Italy quite spectacularly so, just try to order a cappucino after 930am...


Entering the realm of anecdotal evidence, upon my first months in Manchester, when I went around with Geneva as a reference, something that struck me was a certain rigid adherence to fashion style, the only group of people more or less all dressed the same that I would have seen in my native city were army boys and I was amused by big bunch of blokes all dressed up in the same black shoes, black trousers and shirt, with the same haircut (and they were not squadies!) or group of girls in similar attire, haircuts. They really seemed to have gone shopping together. Nowadays, that impression has not changed that much. I recently attended a diner where you needed to dress up and I went there in a nice light colored ensemble, I ended up looking like an Italian footballer amongst 200 blokes dressed in black suits.

On a whole, in 2007, I find the English dress better, have a better fashion sense than the Swiss but in a way, they seem to have lost a bit what made the charm of the English to my Swiss-French eyes, that touch of excentricity we imagine them to have and which they probably had when money was scarce.

In my mind, at the risk of surprising English posters, I think there is a greater sense of conformity amongst your average Northern English than there is amongst your average Swiss-French (not sure about the German bit) when it comes to fashion and social mores, people seem concerned that you ought to make sure you don't make other people look bad by being a flash bastard (or now that Manchester has some money knocking around, everyone seems to want to be a flash bastard and dressing down is a sure sign of mental illness/foreigness).


My wife reckons it's because we are a bunch of shoulder-shrugging French types with a massive ego and no social graces, I tell her I'm glad I'm not some cap-doffing, pie eating prole and I don't defer to anybody
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

I think the society is more or less neutral here. Have not heard of racism yet. Since it is sooo multicultural!!!!!!!! People simply do not care if you are from Africa or Eastern Europe.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

I think the safety and stability are a key. If you look around at other "desirable" countries like the US or UK or EU countries they are having huge economic problems. Not so much here. I teach and I have students in 1st grade who ride the train home on their own. You could NEVER do that in the US. We couldn't even let our daughter run outside our own front yard without someone keeping an eye on her. We moved here for the quiet and calmness of it. The beauty of the mountains and the snowcapped peaks, the safety and peace. Such a slow pace compared to the US, it's refreshing.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Surely in the US (or the UK) it would depend on where. Would this not be possible in some village in New England, perhaps? And even in CH, a big difference between inner Zurich and my small village in the Jura mountains.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

Oh, I don't know, I guess it's just the small subtle things, like:
- Higher salary
- Lower tax
- Low crime rate
- Factor of 3 more paid vacations
- Stunning scenery and nature
- Child friendly, safe
- Proximity to so many European countries
- Stable government and currency
- Clean, well organized
- Best public transportation in the world
- University tuition is basically free
- Skiing
- Culture, opportunity to be bi- or multi-lingual
- Great cheese, chocolate, bread
- Best tasting water in the world
- Low pollution

But, you know, those things really pale in significance when I can't find brown sugar, or have to put up with shops closing early.
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Re: Why is Switzerland such a magnet?

There are places in the US where you have safety, but they are in pockets. My parents live in a small New England town and while the town they live in is safe, you travel 20 minutes by car and you get to places that are not as safe. I feel the city of Bern is very safe and would not hesitate to walk alone at night, this is far from the truth for most larger towns and cities in the US, no matter the region.
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