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Running man, I have the highest regard for your running coaching skills, and admire you for what you are doing to the sport by motivating newbies, starting the running club etc. But I couldn't help giving my first groan on EF for this thread.

I don't care if you are laughing or not, but there are many people here that still take your words seriously, for their sake please post more responsibly.
He is right. For me a remedy was a chewing gum and incredible cravings for chocolate. Everyone discovers his inner child who defines what makes you ticking.
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Running man, I have the highest regard for your running coaching skills, and admire you for what you are doing to the sport by motivating newbies, starting the running club etc. But I couldn't help giving my first groan on EF for this thread.

I don't care if you are laughing or not, but there are many people here that still take your words seriously, for their sake please post more responsibly.
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I am 100% absolutley serious that I used grapes to help stop cravings. This was my way of dealing with Cravings for cigarettes, try it, especially from the fridge.

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Old 30.06.2009, 16:13
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So if you're so keen on this stopping smoking lark why don't you actually bother to read Allen Carr instead of slagging off everyone that mentions the simple way of stopping smoking by stopping sticking cigarettes into their mouth and igniting them - or do you consider this to be "twoddle" too? Is it really any more twoddle than your grapes method? I'm happy to admit that Carr's books are simply dreadful - I don't care how wonderfull or not they might be, they did start me thinking about why I actually smoked in the first place.

Why knock any method - so long as it works who cares who thought of it or how ridiculous it might seem.
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I was groaning myself that someone is not reading the threads ( I.e. your comment ) and only picking up on the individual comments, this is like reading only one line on a medicine bottle and forgetting to read the rest of the details.

As for the way you are still biting, I assume you must be still smarting from my twoddle comment which is used in Yorkshire to mean that I found your comment very flippent in the way you said your comment ( oh it was easy ), most people find it very hard to stop smoking or even eating less food, groan all you like!!
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Old 30.06.2009, 16:24
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Dear Louis

I was groaning myself that someone is not reading the threads ( I.e. your comment ) and only picking up on the individual comments, this is like reading only one line on a medicine bottle and forgetting to read the rest of the details.

As for the way you are still biting, I assume you must be still smarting from my twoddle comment which is used in Yorkshire to mean that I found your comment very flippent in the way you said your comment ( oh it was easy ), most people find it very hard to stop smoking or even eating less food, groan all you like!!
But some people do find giving up smoking really easily and don't need any support from substitutes and so on.

IMHO, I think some people have more of an addictive personality and once they get into something, they find it difficult to stop whilst others don't.

That's one reason why running works for these types of people - the endorphin release is a bit of a fix - and they do crave their fixes.

If you do have this sort of make-up then be really careful with alcohol volume and frequency of consumption.

I don't have any evidence to back this up, just observation of friends and family
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Dear Niranjan

I am 100% absolutley serious that I used grapes to help stop cravings. This was my way of dealing with Cravings for cigarettes, try it, especially from the fridge.

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Dear Martin,
Okay, grapes worked for you; bananas worked for one of my distant cousins, lollipops worked for someone else (I forget who it was), each to one's own. Sorry for nitpicking there. On balance eating grapes (straight from the fridge) is a nice and natural practice, I see no harm in trying that, so let's say it is a valid point.

My broader concern was the flippant way in you you seem to imply losing weight is a nice goal to achieve. People who have training in physiology/sports can correct me here, but AFIK losing weight rapidly (something like 15-20% in 6 months in your case ) isn't considered all that good.

Unless you were grossly obese to begin with (which I presume is not the case with a runner like you), over 10% weight fluctuation in less than 1 year is considered a marker for ill health. (It doesn't mean everone will have some problems, but it is just increases the odds of illness significantly)

Open to correction as I am no expert on this. And I have already picked up my coat...sorry.... sunglasses and hat, and left.
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Old 30.06.2009, 16:46
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Dear Martin,
Okay, grapes worked for you; bananas worked for one of my distant cousins, lollipops worked for someone else (I forget who it was), each to one's own. Sorry for nitpicking there. On balance eating grapes (straight from the fridge) is a nice and natural practice, I see no harm in trying that, so let's say it is a valid point.

My broader concern was the flippant way in you you seem to imply losing weight is a nice goal to achieve. People who have training in physiology/sports can correct me here, but AFIK losing weight rapidly (something like 15-20% in 6 months in your case ) isn't considered all that good.

Unless you were grossly obese to begin with (which I presume is not the case with a runner like you), over 10% weight fluctuation in less than 1 year is considered a marker for ill health. (It doesn't mean everone will have some problems, but it is just increases the odds of illness significantly)

Open to correction as I am no expert on this. And I have already picked up my coat...sorry.... sunglasses and hat, and left.
I haven't read the full thread and don't have time to... but 10% weight fluctuation in a year is not a sign of ill health. Think about that in terms of a 77kg 180cm tall male. He could easily drop to 70kg with no ill effects, remain in normal BMI and over a year losing 7kg is very little.

What may be unhealthy is losing more then 2kg per week unless you are suffering from clinical obesity.
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Re: How did you stop smoking or lose weight?

Hey guys just wanted to chime that while you guys discuss I am off to gym now. I will think of you guys :-)
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I am back! Tough day at gym. Everyone was red faced and dying for air LOL
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Old 30.06.2009, 20:05
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Dear Louis

I was groaning myself that someone is not reading the threads ( I.e. your comment ) and only picking up on the individual comments, this is like reading only one line on a medicine bottle and forgetting to read the rest of the details.

As for the way you are still biting, I assume you must be still smarting from my twoddle comment which is used in Yorkshire to mean that I found your comment very flippent in the way you said your comment ( oh it was easy ), most people find it very hard to stop smoking or even eating less food, groan all you like!!
No Problem Martin, I was under the impression that you found the Allen Carr method to be nonsense - I can understand that, many people do. In my case I was extremely sceptical but I actually found that (in my case) stopping smoking was ridiculously easy - I did not have any cravings for any sort of substitute, I found that when I felt "pangs" I also found a sense of enjoyment in realising that the pangs were caused by the de-tox process and I could smile to myself and say "Ah!, I know what that is! It will pass" - and it did. I do also of course understand that not everyone finds stopping that easy, my comment wasn't intended to be flippant, it was an honest description of my experiences. I also found running to be an excellent method of stopping gaining extra weight post smoking and as a general way of increasing my fitness level.

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Re: How did you stop smoking or lose weight?

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When you're able to find the secret PLEASEEEEEE TELL ME!!!!
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Re: How did you stop smoking or lose weight?

Hi, I dont and have never smoked. But I am currently on the Alli fat pills from the UK. Have shed a stone in 5 weeks without any exercise (I havent been able to exercise atm due to injury). I am fairly close to my target weight so a couple more weeks and I should be there.

They only sell the pills to you if you are over 32 BMI I think, I was right on the border, I am 6 foot and was 15 stone.

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Hello. There isn't a secret I am afraid. Smoking requires mental discipline because its a psychological addiction to the active chemical ingredients which can be an absolutel bugger to let go of. Some people manage it stright away as has been mentioned in this thread but for some it is desperately taxing.

Excercise comes down to in/out ratio. Diets such as the eating lean meat and vegetables one do work I am told because the body becomes short of certain substances that are not present in the "allowed list" of foods so breaks down the fat to replace this required chemical whcih is missing. (I understood you go bad breath from this though as well ?). The other way is to ensure you do excercise each day to outburn your incoming energy. Again I think there is a lot of mental stuff involved, like the gentleman eating grapes. Very successful but I would wager the important line was "taste just like wine out of the fridge" which replaces the psychological urge to drink wine which has a high energy content with grapes which I guess (I dont know) have a lower energey (calorie) content and also make you feel fuller as they are a food rather than a drink.
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Diets such as the eating lean meat and vegetables one do work I am told because the body becomes short of certain substances that are not present in the "allowed list" of foods so breaks down the fat to replace this required chemical whcih is missing. (I understood you go bad breath from this though as well ?).
The bolded part got me curious and I am no expert so bit of googling revealed this-
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What you eat impacts the air you exhale. Once the food is assimilated into the bloodstream, it is transferred to the lungs, where it is expelled. Brushing, flossing and mouthwash will only mask the odor temporarily. Odors continue until the body eliminates the food. Dieters may develop caustic breath from infrequent eating. Another complication of food factors and halitosis is the combination of food allergies, which contribute to sinus problems.
Vegan diets are exempt of animal protein and animal fat. Vegetarians, especially vegans, have diets that are lower in saturated fat and trans fat, as well as cholesterol. In addition, those who do not eat animal protein, get more fiber than non-vegetarian diets. Because of this, vegetarians are less likely to develop halitosis. Bad breath that is caused by oral bacteria is primarily produced by the odorous waste products these bacteria create as they digest proteins. This would imply that those persons with a vegetarian diet (diets high in fruit and vegetable consumption) will most likely have less of a problem with chronic bad breath than those who have diets high in protein rich foods such as meat.
Bottom line is eat less raw garlic and maintain good dental hygiene veg or non veg and leave us veg addicts in peace
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Re: How did you stop smoking or lose weight?

What people are getting at with bad breath is Ketosis. It happens when the body is starved (literally!) of carbohydrates. It does not get enough from the diet to perform its normal functions. Some parts of the body can not metabolise fat, therefore glycogen has to be produced from somewhere. It is produced in the liver from fat stores in a process known as gluconeogenisis. A by product of this is ketone bodies in the blood which then get exhaled and give bad breath.

In my opinion this is not a healthy state to be in and should be avoided in weight loss programmes. Some carbohydrate should always be included in the diet.
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The bolded part got me curious and I am no expert so bit of googling revealed this-
Bottom line is eat less raw garlic and maintain good dental hygiene veg or non veg and leave us veg addicts in peace
I was referring to Ketosis - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis - which is slightly different.
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I use prevention policy!
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When life was something else... I took two weeks off and went to an island in Greece walked 7km to the beach and 7km back every morning with 5 bottles of 2l water filled with sand in my rucksack. A 5ltr bottle also filled with sand in each hand as well as 2.5kg ankle weights (not to be confused with unkle. Thank god never had to carry that!). Did a few more kms later in the early evening. Then hit the clubs where I danced till I dropped. I don't drink alcohol and fizzy drinks so no problem there... Ate fish and veg and no fat and no carb. Came back over 10kgs lighter and fit as funk.

I find this very insperational. You got a goal, you reach it(!) Will incorporate carrying the extra weight (not on the hips(!!)) into everyday life. Unfortunately cannot dance til I drop with my current lifestyle
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I am thinking of starting a goal oriented health thread. We can hold each other accountable. Anyone interested?
yes!

I stopped smoking pretty easily, going out with a Cancer research scientist will do it almost every time

Losing weight...harder.
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yes!

I stopped smoking pretty easily, going out with a Cancer research scientist will do it almost every time

Losing weight...harder.
Any cancer scientist on board, willing to save a few unhealthy souls?
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I stopped smoking pretty easily, going out with a Cancer research scientist will do it almost every time

Losing weight...harder.
I ended up marrying a cancer research scientist
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