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Eid ul Adha: 27th November 2009

Just to remind all the Muslims on this Forum.

The Eid ul Adha Festival will be observed on 28th November which is a Saturday.

Those of you who will be going for Hajj and others who will be offering prayers please remember all the innocents who are dying, starving or facing hardships in the name of religion or otherwise.

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Eid al-Adha (Arabic: عيد الأضحى‎ ‘Īdu l-’Aḍḥā) "Festival of Sacrifice" or "Greater Eid" is a Muslim Holiday celebrated by Muslimsworldwide to commemorate the willingness of Ibrahim to sacrifice his son Ismael as an act of obedience to God.

Muslims who can afford to do so sacrifice their best domestic animals as a symbol of Ibrahim's sacrifice. The 1/3 of the meat is distributed to the families, relatives and friends, 1/3 to poor and rest can be used by the person himself.

Eid al-Adha occurs the day after the pilgrims conducting Hajj
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

I have a question:

Wasn't it the WILLINGNESS that was the important thing? Why therefore do animals need to be slaughtered?

If it is the WILLINGESS that is important, why not just showing the willingness to sacrifice your firstborn? (not really of course. it's symbolic.)

Or if it is the SACRIFICE that is important, why not just donate an important and valuable possession to a charitable cause?

In the days when wealth was measured by how many animals you owned, this made sense. You sacrifice something of value. Living in an industrialised world now, surely this has lost its meaning?

(Yes, I'm opening a debate here. Muslims are going to know about this festival already, so I can only assume this is what the purpose of this post really is.)
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

definitely

that s why instead of slaughtering animals which most people nowadays cannot even watch financial donations are made... (though some donations are made to organizations which slaughter on the donator's behalf)
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

Lucky Ismael, that Victorinox knifes were not introduced by the time
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I assume muslims are going to know this already, so I wonder what the purpose of this post really is.

Be that as it may, I have a question:

Wasn't it the WILLINGNESS that was the important thing? Why therefore do animals need to be slaughtered?

If it is the WILLINGESS that is important, why not just showing the willingness to sacrifice your firstborn? (not really of course. it's symbolic.)

Or if it is the SACRIFICE that is important, why not just donate an important and valuable possession to a charitable cause?

In the days when wealth was measured by how many animals you owned, this made sense. You sacrifice something of value. Living in an industrialised world now, surely this has lost its meaning?
They die in millions anyway, either in modern assembly-like type abbatoirs in the West, or in more filthy slaughterhouses in poorer countries. I see no harm in associating a moral story around the killing if that makes people feel good and assuage the conscience. I am sure almost all meat-eating religions endorse some form of animal sacrifice, so big deal.

What concerns me more is the millions of gallons of aviation fuel that will get burnt in the process of transporting millions of devout muslims out on a religious tourism trip halfway across the world. Often subsidized by governments...
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definitely

that s why instead of slaughtering animals which most people nowadays cannot even watch financial donations are made... (though some donations are made to organizations which slaughter on the donator's behalf)
I believe some observant muslims may blackout their windows and slaughter an animal in their city flats. Is this true?
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

interesting question.

I guess instead of donating money which will be used to buy the meat which I suppose has to came from an abbatoir, this is the "direct method". The cow is not saved either way.

As for other donations, don't muslims pay a donation/tax during Eid (the other festival) anyway?

I personally prefer to give meat to the poor instead of giving them cash and not knowing whether they will put it to good use.
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

Initially sacrificising was meant for a few hundred people not bilion!
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I believe some observant muslims may blackout their windows and slaughter an animal in their city flats. Is this true?
I have read similar stories in past years happening in Germany, Belgium and other western countries..
not so in Muslim countries since they just choose to practice the ritual in the parks or even roads..

unfortunately, the first day of the bairam, is not a good time to take a stroll around in a muslim country
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Initially sacrificising was meant for a few hundred people not bilion!
Its one sacrifice per household (if financially able), but many choose to pay a charitable donation instead.
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interesting question.

I guess instead of donating money which will be used to buy the meat which I suppose has to came from an abbatoir, this is the "direct method". The cow is not saved either way.

As for other donations, don't muslims pay a donation/tax during Eid (the other festival) anyway?

I personally prefer to give meat to the poor instead of giving them cash and not knowing whether they will put it to good use.
usually those capable of buying an animal for slaughter live in neighborhoods earning above average.. so their neighbors either slaughter themselves (and have no good use for extra meat) or do not like the taste of fresh meat (fresh meat is not for everybody and has a strong taste/odour). For some, the idea that that meat was full of live just some minutes ago, is also a deterrent.. i.e., u end up with lots of meat which gets stored in the fridge for months..

so financial donations are better if u r sure they end up in the right address
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

Sacrifice is another way to do charity, a wealthy person, i repeat a wealthy person who is capable to offord the animal should do a sacrifice and he is bound to distribute 1/3 to need poor peopl, 1/3 to family and friends and you can have the rest, obviously one can do charity more then if he wills to.

Charity could be made in face of cash awell and before Eid Prayers a wealthy person is bound to buy clothes to poor and pray with them.

Except that We are also bound to pay Annual charity to poors
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

Well since we cannot slaughter the animals here therefore every year we send the money to a charity organization.

Also, you need to understand that idea is sharing the sacrifice with the family, friends and poor. Atleast on one day of the year they deserve to eat what we are eating.

Also, in Pakistan and some other parts of the world it is the only day when poor people eat meat. People who are living under 10 Dollars a day and have to feed entire family this is a luxury they cannot afford.
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

In poor parts it has really sense..
But in other areas people simply use the occasion as an excuse to travel instead of visiting family/friends; good traditions are being lost
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

I just wanted to add to my last post that Islam has actually made the Eid festival very simple and easy to follow. Instead of exchanging expensive gifts it is better to give the sacrifice made to others.

Christmas festive season which has now become an annual retail bonanza.
People are spending huge amounts of money on presents and festivities, often funded by borrowed money.

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In poor parts it has really sense..
But in other areas people simply use the occasion as an excuse to travel instead of visiting family/friends; good traditions are being lost
The same can be said of the Christian world and Christmas. Irrespective of one's beliefs, it at least brings people together. For better or worse
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I just wanted to add to my last post that Islam has actually made the Eid festival very simple and easy to follow. Instead of exchanging expensive gifts it is better to give the sacrifice made to others.
Just want to clarify: What type of sacrifice are you referring to? A portion of one's personal wealth or the meat of a slaughtered animal?

Donating a portion of one's wealth is indeed easy. But having to sacrifice a creature in a city apartment is kinda - complicated.

EDIT: Oops, OK, you did answer this in saying you give to charity.
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Re: Eid ul Adha: 28th November 2009

As a child, I remember my neighbour buying a goat a few days before the festival. They would feed it well, shower it with all their love, play with it, tickle the goat as if it was part of their own family. And on the D-day the sword would come out, and these very guys who were all ga-ga about this cute small friend would slice its throat and watch it until their clothes were filled with blood. And more annoying was that it was the ladies in the house who caught the goats' four legs while the man conducted the sacrifice. All this noble act in the garden. Then his son would come and brag about his courage. (Bravery shown on a helpless animal).

I urge these devouts to follow the exact way of Ibrahim (keeping their sons under the sword), and check their faith.

On another note, there is a small difference between meat eaters (who would avoid killing an animal with a knife themselves and rather wait for expert services again from a Muslim (in Asia most street side butchers are Muslims)) and these guys who practise barbarism in the name of religion.

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I wish you all a peaceful Eid ul Adha.

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As a child...
While your graphic image may indeed remind you of the 'horror' of slaughter, the act in itself has been done since time immemorial and can be done quickly and humanely with a good knife. I imagine the majority celebrating this year won't be inflicting such spectacles in front of their neighbours. Let's keep this thread as informative and useful as it so far has managed; I think we've all had our fill of 'telling the muslims how to live their lives' for now
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