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Re: best swiss watch brand

A word of warning. I have a ladies Baume et Mercier which I bought 5 years ago. List price 9000CHF. It has stopped working and my local jeweller says it just needs a revision (?service). Their watchmaker will charge 290 CHF, and B and M want 1000 CHF just to open it. This is apparently because the watch was designed more than 20 years ago.
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Before what year would IWC and JLC be reliable purchases in your opinion?
Hmm, personally I would go pre-70's but that's reaching back a ways. And I can make any components that aren't available .

Both are still very dedicated to quality, and honestly any of their in-house calibers up to present are going to be good runners. The problem is the price/value ratio has become skewed in the last decade or two, so you are getting a watch made with a little less care than previously at a price several times or more higher than previously.

After almost going extinct in the 70's the market for good mechanical watches exploded in the late 80's- or perhaps the fuse was lit then and the bomb went off in the 90's and burned on until the fallout in the last couple of years.

The problem is that all the old processes, machinery, and skill disappeared with the quartz revolution and has been replaced with a bit too optimistic reliance on CNC machinery and new processes like metal deposition for making components. The bean counters are also more involved than they should be, with profits skyrocketing they continued to press for faster and cheaper ways to produce. So now for example the steels used are often not as durable in use as the old ones- but are more forgiving to the tooling= higher profit. Parts that were polished for function by skilled laborers one by one are now batch processed by the thousands with electrolytic baths... not as nice, but 'shiny enough' and cheaper. Much cheaper. So it costs less now to produce a watch movement that has much less value added than the old ones, and doesn't work as well. The voracious market for the finished pieces combined with the disappearance of the old skill set allowed this to happen.

LeCoultre and IWC just stand out to me as companies who stuck to their guns and tried to maintain some of the old values. Encouragingly I am seeing a resurgence of interest in some of the older techniques, and they are slowly coming back. And oddly enough this is due to the dedication and respect the current crop of new watchmakers have for the old guys- and by and large this crop is young French and German dudes . Revamping the Swiss industry.
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I do like the IWC stuff, new that is, simply because there is a shop close to the office and I like their style.
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For a mechanical watch I would get a pre-owned IWC. Or a LeCoultre. The IWC would be more in line with the sport watch aspect of Tag.

Current production (last 10-15 years) of watches leaves a lot to be desired as far as quality at the component level. This is true from Patek on down, and info is straight from the watchmakers who put them together and service them. Both IWC and LeCoultre have extensive stocks of components for their old models going back to the 50's and further, and honestly rarely need anything more than a straight service- they just don't wear out. The old time watchmakers had a lot of pride in their work and would cringe at what's going out of the factories today.
Yep - my dad was a watch maker for Lecoultre/Favre-Leuba in the 'good' old days. BTW Parmigiani make all their own components from scratch- hence the price. My bro sold the PATEK PHILLIPE he was given for his 18th bd to buy a second hand 2cv in the 70s - bet he is kicking himself now.
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Re: best swiss watch brand

Here swiss made
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index...D=26&lang_nr=1

I belive those watches are as good as any IWC, OMEGA or Rolex. I also would want to see a comparison in usability between a watch from a mass production wit an ETA mouvement, or Seiko 5 and a Audemar Piguet, Rolex, or whatever.
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By the way have you heard of this British brand?:
http://www.bremont.com/
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By the way have you heard of this British brand?:
http://www.bremont.com/
They are Swiss Made too, any idea how much they cost?
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They are Swiss Made too, any idea how much they cost?
They start at around £2295 for a BC-S1 and go up to about £3500 for other models
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In the Jura we also have some rare 'one man' watchmakers. Like Garin who makes his own skeleton watches in Les Verrières. Pricey though, as he makes everything himself in his own workshop.
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Here swiss made
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index...D=26&lang_nr=1

I belive those watches are as good as any IWC, OMEGA or Rolex. I also would want to see a comparison in usability between a watch from a mass production wit an ETA mouvement, or Seiko 5 and a Audemar Piguet, Rolex, or whatever.

100% right Tom73, they will tell the time just fine, even better buy a swatch for whatever.

By buying a Rolex it's not just to tell the time, it's an investement a personnal pleasure in wearing something that was expensive that you decided at a particular moment in your life you could afford as you had hit the big time.

Come to think of it the actual time telling capacity is probaly far from your thoughts when you buy an expensive watch, you take it for granted that it will tell the time reasonably accurately, failing which we've all got telephones anyway, it's the fact you know you can do without causing too much hardship elsewhere, financialy speaking.
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Watch sales statistics in China - November 2011
http://thechinagateway.com/2012/05/2...cs-in-china-1/
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