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Online Watch Buying

I searched and saw this (BTW - the time24 website is still...ahem.....offline)

http://www.englishforum.ch/sale-want...tch-shops.html

But wanted advice about buying an expensive new watch....never did that before....

SO - got a good (haggled) price in a shop here (10% off window price), then saw it for 500CHF less in a "big" online watch store, and then also 1000CHF less from a referred to vendor from another website who appears to be a one man show...

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1. Anybody got good/bad experience of online watch buying? What to watch out for? How can you tell the papers etc are genuine?

2. Any specific recommendations of websites

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Old 01.08.2010, 18:43
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Re: Online Watch Buying

Poo....no advice or experts out there....i'll go with my gutfeel then!

One other connected qu.....do you know if the warranty which comes which such watches are honoured by high street dealers, or will it be a problem? Any ideas?
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Old 01.08.2010, 18:49
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Re: Online Watch Buying

Go to the watch shop in Heathrow terminal 5 and check out their duty free prices.
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Old 01.08.2010, 18:49
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Re: Online Watch Buying

I bought 3 watches (IWC, Panerai and Rolex) already from several vendors on ebay, you can find good deals there and save quite big bucks (upto 30% off depending on the brand).

I normally buy from either Philly or Seattle based dealers, and never had a problem in getting the watches in 36 hours by fedex to my door and the price + the Swiss TVA is still 15 to 20 % off the price here.
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Old 01.08.2010, 18:51
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Re: Online Watch Buying

At least 2 previous threads might interest you if you searched using "watches"
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Old 01.08.2010, 19:06
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Yeah....i referenced one in my OP but it was relating to second hand ones on line, and there were a few on Switz vs non Switz.....and a few on what people were "WATCHING" on TV.....but couldn't find anything relating to these online only watch companies.....

But I'll hit the search function again and see what I missed
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I bought 3 watches (IWC, Panerai and Rolex) already from several vendors on ebay, you can find good deals there and save quite big bucks (upto 30% off depending on the brand).

I normally buy from either Philly or Seattle based dealers, and never had a problem in getting the watches in 36 hours by fedex to my door and the price + the Swiss TVA is still 15 to 20 % off the price here.
Any specific dealers you'd recommend, and any problems with warranties/repairs?
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Any specific dealers you'd recommend, and any problems with warranties/repairs?
I bought my IWC Spitfire Chronograph from Modern Jewels, i had it for 3500 $ Including shipping (Fedex Intl. Priority), received it in 24 hours and it was a whole complete set, when i went to IWC store to get a Buffalo strap they couldn't believe i got it that cheap as it worth 5350 CHF here, you can call the guy, his name is Gary and discuss about which watch you want and how much you're willing to pay, he's really good (from my own experience).

If you intend to buy a Panerai or Rolex, the discount won't be so high due to the high demand and low offer.

Graham, Breitling and Zenith seem to get very good discounts (Upto 50% of catalogue price), a friend of mine bought a Zenith Defy Classic open dual tone for 4500$ while it's catalogue price is over 14000 $

Regarding the warranty, the watch + warranty have been checked at IWC and were totally valid.
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Re: Online Watch Buying

Hello, when you buy from these online shops or ebay (which could be shipping from outside Switzerland) do you get to pay import taxes? and how many percent usually? reason is, whenever i bought sometime over $100 ebay, the swiss custom always charge be up to almost 30-40% of the goods price.... thats why am afraid if i buy watches from ebay or other online sites outside Suisse with prices +3000chf then get charged 30-40% additional by swiss custom? duh!...
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Old 04.03.2011, 22:32
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Re: Online Watch Buying

I had good experience with this guys:
http://shop.ebay.ch/watchmeisterin/m...4.l1513&_pgn=1
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Old 04.03.2011, 22:52
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Re: Online Watch Buying

I bought my current watch here and can recommend the gentlemen. I bought online, but I understood that they have a "traditional" shop in Lausanne.

http://www.dualtime.ch/

My favourite watch site is chrono24.com - a lot of traders advertise their watches there and you can find a lot of bargains.

Last week I purchased a watch from the US, it has not arrived yet but when it does I will comment if I can recommend them. The current USD course delivers absolute bargains from a Swiss perspective...
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Old 04.03.2011, 23:04
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Hello, when you buy from these online shops or ebay (which could be shipping from outside Switzerland) do you get to pay import taxes? and how many percent usually? reason is, whenever i bought sometime over $100 ebay, the swiss custom always charge be up to almost 30-40% of the goods price.... thats why am afraid if i buy watches from ebay or other online sites outside Suisse with prices +3000chf then get charged 30-40% additional by swiss custom? duh!...
Hihi, I bet you did not buy something far over 100CHFs, but pretty exactly in that price range, right?

You have to pay 8% VAT on imports over I believe 65 CHFs. On top of that does the post/customs charge some fairly hefty "handling fees" - the costs they have to open your package and assess the value. I never understood why I need to pay the police to do their job through fees - after all do I not pay the working time of the traffic cop giving me a ticket either... - but anyway: They do so because they can... and then does the post of course charge you for the service to collect the money from you... So depending on the delivery service you pay some 20-40 CHFs on top of the 8%. So if the package is worth 100 CHF, you make a really bad deal. If the watch is worth 5000 and you get it say 2000 cheaper abroad - you get the point...
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Re: Online Watch Buying

I recently bought a watch online. The Franc has risen a lot in the last year, so i hoped for a good deal, where a supplier had not adjusted his prices in euro up accordingly. I expected a 10% saving, but saved around 35% on my watch.

I looked for it in several webshops, and in the end, i bought it from Uhrenmix.de in Germany. Before I placed an order, I sent an email, asking if I could get it with swiss VAT, since i live here. He gave me the price without VAT, and said, I would have to pay the swiss VAT to UPS, who delivered it. correct answer, so I checked if there was any feedback or warnings against them on the internet. I did not find anything negative at all, but hey, thats the same if you look for "Kirch-hügel and Partner"

I did a whois lookup of both the IP and domain name, and both were within reasonable distance of each other. Another supplier - watches of london - have their Server in USA, and is apparently owned by a russian company, but want to give the impression, they are in UK. These things together raised a red flag, and when my watch and the all gold one is same price, they can not be genuine. The gold version is 30-50% more expensive everywhere else. Also they were 50% cheaper than all other online shops, who advertised genuine watches.

It was payment up front, which did make me a bit suspicious, but they were member of Sofortüberweisung.de and as they offered a 1 month guarantee, I decided to place an order.

They confirmed the order the next day, 1 day later, they provided an UPS Tracking number. They got my house number wrong, so i called them, and they corrected it within 10 minutes and I got a new tracking number, and next day, I got my watch delivered, and 3 weeks later, I got a bill from UPS for the swiss VAT.

Before i placed the order, I searched a lot for fake watches too, and compared, so I knew what to look for to spot it, but just feeling it, and thinking back on the quality of the fake watches i had in the past, convinces me, it is genuine.

Search on forums like chrono24.de and if there is 1 complaint against a company, then it is probably a jerk customer, but if there is 10, then the criticism is probably justified.

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Re: Online Watch Buying

I noticed prices in Spain seem to be very, very low. This same PO is more than 4k in Switzerland, but in Spain is around 2 something.

http://www.chrono24.com/en/omega/220...-id1685314.htm

Prices in the US are around that range too, swiss prices are higher, don't know why.

I ordered 1 or 2 things with value less than 50-60 EUR from EU countries and I received total of 140 CHF for handling fees and import duties. I will never, ever have anything delivered in Switzerland again, that's why now I have everything delivered in France.

I am very hesitant about what the duty charges will be on a watch and if they will tax it on the real value or swiss shop value

Anyway, I'd rather buy it somewhere and bring it here. Or have it delivered in France.
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I am very hesitant about what the duty charges will be on a watch and if they will tax it on the real value or swiss shop value
My watch would be EUR 2399 with german 19% VAT, and I paid CHF 253 for swiss VAT.

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Re: Online Watch Buying

Last year I bought a Swiss watch in a "factory outlet" in USA that was about 25% of the Swiss price.
Moral is Switzerland is not the best place to get a good price on buying a Swiss watch.
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I suppose the key thing to beware of when buying online are counterfiets.

Swiss watches are priced locally for what that market can bear, and the volume they can sell. Swiss watches in Switzerland are expensive because the market is small, and the locals are willing to pay.

I believe the best prices for Swiss watches are in Asia and the US.
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