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Just take good care like any reasonable human being and you will be fine.
Yeah, some people just aren't like that, though. I've grown to accept it. I need to be blackout drunk to be as unvigilant as some people I know naturally are. Having a minor paranoid streak is healthy.

Whenever I hear that a friend's phone or something was stolen, it's all I can do to not tell them, "Well, you could have not put it in the outside pocket of your rucksack, which you had on your back in a packed tram at rush hour while listening to your Ipod."
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Old 03.08.2010, 15:44
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Yeah, some people just aren't like that, though. I've grown to accept it. I need to be blackout drunk to be as unvigilant as some people I know naturally are. Having a minor paranoid streak is healthy.

Whenever I hear that a friend's phone or something was stolen, it's all I can do to not tell them, "Well, you could have not put it in the outside pocket of your rucksack, which you had on your back in a packed tram at rush hour while listening to your Ipod."
All I can say is that I have been going back and forth for two years, and no one has ever touched anything.
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What a load of rubbish. I travel back to Milano pretty much every weekend to visit the family, and I have been doing this for nearly two years now from Zurich. I have traveled with big bags, small bags, suitcases etc etc, and as yet no one has ever taken anything. Just take good care like any reasonable human being and you will be fine.

I also travel every week for work to geneva....nothing has never happened on the train. always a pleasant journey.

Just because it didn't happen to you for two years doesn't mean what the others have told us here is "rubbish". Have some respect for other people's experiences, whether or not they exercised enough care in the circumstances.
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All I can say is that I have been going back and forth for two years, and no one has ever touched anything.
I don't think anyone doubts that, but I don't see what you're trying to accomplish by suggesting that the original post was "a load of rubbish".
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Just because it didn't happen to you for two years doesn't mean what the others have told us here is "rubbish". Have some respect for other people's experiences, whether or not they exercised enough care in the circumstances.
hang on a second. So traveling back and forth every week for two years somehow sits on the same level of experience as someone who had their bag stolen on the one trip they made by train to Italy?
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hang on a second. So traveling back and forth every week for two years somehow sits on the same level of experience as someone who had their bag stolen on the one trip they made by train to Italy?
But that is not what Argus is either saying or insinuating ... surely you can see that?
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But that is not what Argus is either saying or insinuating ... surely you can see that?
for goodness sakes yes. what is it these days with diplomacy?
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Old 03.08.2010, 16:21
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I have to admit I'm pretty careless when it comes to this stuff. I'm a wallet in the back pocket kind of guy. It drives my wife nuts. She only buys a handbag with a zip. Puts the bag on her inside when she's on the train and loops the strap round her arm. Never puts anything valuable in the luggage rack - in fact she'll put as much as she can between her legs, however uncomfortable it makes her. Makes me burn anything with our name or address on it - she even checks the bin because she knows I'm slack. (Makes her day when she finds some stray envelope I forgot lurking in there). Whenever we go anywhere and I lock the car she'll say "will I take the keys?" Watches me like a hawk whenever I take my wallet out. (Didn't save me that time I drove away with my wallet on the car roof after loading the kids). Lost count of the times we've stopped to have a drink and I've looped the camera over the back of chair then walked away without it only to find her stalking me with the evidence.
sorry to break it to you, but in fact, you wife leads a secret double life as a spy/assassin (see film Mr. and Mrs Smith). you should be more careful as your actions could compromise your safety...
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Old 03.08.2010, 16:24
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for goodness sakes yes. what is it these days with diplomacy?
You're asking me??!!
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Old 03.08.2010, 16:25
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

Overnight trains:
My bf was robbed in the sleeping compartment of an overnight train, doesn't matter to where. He had Fr500,-- in his sock in the sleeping bag and it "disappeared". The door was also locked to his compartment and was the only one in there. This suggests that people are working together on robberies like this and that the train conductors are also involved... How else would they know someone was alone in the compartment?

The other question is: Is sleeping "gas" or something else being used to drug passengers for a short time? He cannot explain it otherwise..
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You're asking me??!!
well yes. All I did was completely disagree with the post and stated that it is complete and utter rubbish. That doesn't mean that I was wishing to insult the postee or disrespect them. I simply disagreed with the post.

Anyway. No offense meant. I just wont post again if I disagree with something....much better that way I think.

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Overnight trains:
My bf was robbed in the sleeping compartment of an overnight train, doesn't matter to where. He had Fr500,-- in his sock in the sleeping bag and it "disappeared". The door was also locked to his compartment and was the only one in there. This suggests that people are working together on robberies like this and that the train conductors are also involved... How else would they know someone was alone in the compartment?

The other question is: Is sleeping "gas" or something else being used to drug passengers for a short time? He cannot explain it otherwise..
Yes it definitely must be the sleeping gas.
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Overnight trains:
My bf was robbed in the sleeping compartment of an overnight train, doesn't matter to where. He had Fr500,-- in his sock in the sleeping bag and it "disappeared". The door was also locked to his compartment and was the only one in there. This suggests that people are working together on robberies like this and that the train conductors are also involved... How else would they know someone was alone in the compartment?

The other question is: Is sleeping "gas" or something else being used to drug passengers for a short time? He cannot explain it otherwise..
Eh, I've heard more creative decoy stories for blowing 500 clams at a casino. Extra points for the sleeping gas idea, though.
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Overnight trains:
My bf was robbed in the sleeping compartment of an overnight train, doesn't matter to where. He had Fr500,-- in his sock in the sleeping bag and it "disappeared". The door was also locked to his compartment and was the only one in there. This suggests that people are working together on robberies like this and that the train conductors are also involved... How else would they know someone was alone in the compartment?

The other question is: Is sleeping "gas" or something else being used to drug passengers for a short time? He cannot explain it otherwise..
actually, in the UK there were thieves using sleeping gas against truck drivers parked up for the night at motorway services. they would gas them to make sure they were asleep while they stole the goods from the truck.
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

so one of the tricks i have seen is that a guy comes to you and asks if the seat is free and puts his bag on the overhead compartment. While doing it, he pushes your bag (which is already on the overheard cabin) away from your seat block to the other side and is usually taken care by some one in the gang... then this guy sitting with you promptly leaves with his bag as if he took the train by accident....


so when someone asks next time "Is this seat free" you know.....
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

I went inter-railing as a student many (around 20!) years ago. Even then we were told that some people were sharing drinks which contained a drug to send you to sleep, after which they stole everything. Probably something like rohypnol.
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Most of my bags are pretty discreet but I'm sure to a thieving person on the lookout they may scream "steal me".
Eh, living in Prague taught me that anything that looks "steal me" should either be left home or carried in the backpack worn on the belly.


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I have to admit I'm pretty careless when it comes to this stuff. I'm a wallet in the back pocket kind of guy. It drives my wife nuts. She only buys a handbag with a zip. Puts the bag on her inside when she's on the train and loops the strap round her arm. Never puts anything valuable in the luggage rack - in fact she'll put as much as she can between her legs, however uncomfortable it makes her. Makes me burn anything with our name or address on it - she even checks the bin because she knows I'm slack. (Makes her day when she finds some stray envelope I forgot lurking in there). Whenever we go anywhere and I lock the car she'll say "will I take the keys?" Watches me like a hawk whenever I take my wallet out. (Didn't save me that time I drove away with my wallet on the car roof after loading the kids). Lost count of the times we've stopped to have a drink and I've looped the camera over the back of chair then walked away without it only to find her stalking me with the evidence.
Good for her, she must be my sister or what...

My other half loves having the wallet in his back pocket, makes me sooo nervous. Especially in Prague, I mean Praha, or Cornavin, Lausanne, etc. But he looks "bring it on, touch my back pocket" guy, big, so people leave him alone..The last one who drove away forgetting stuff on the roof of the car was actually me, how I miss that dear nifty folding potty I left in the diaper-bag there, auch...

Trains, trams, buses, train stations and malls seem to attract pickpockets and thieves big times these days. Especially now between Geneva and Lausanne, it seems to be certain groups, with kids and a lot of commotion, trotinettes, strollers, suitcases, musical instruments, ton of "entourage" running around to distract people so they are not as careful..Using kids as well. Sad.
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I went inter-railing as a student many (around 20!) years ago. Even then we were told that some people were sharing drinks which contained a drug to send you to sleep, after which they stole everything. Probably something like rohypnol.
Isnt the drug that sends you to sleep called alcohol?
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so when someone asks next time "Is this seat free" you know.....
they also use a special code, so be especially aware if they say something like "ish da noh frey" before they sit down...
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It's always a risk travelling to Milan. A colleague of mine lost his passport and only realised if when the border police asked him for his passport on the way into Switzerland.

Ever lose eyesight on your bags / belongings in Italian big cities (rome, Milan etc).

Yes, Geneva is also in a similar categories- I was once almost pickpocketed.

And in Spain, ignore anyone stopping to clear bird shit on your body - happened to me and wife - she lost her purse!

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