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Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

It was a perfect day trip to Milan,
Shopping, Gelato, Pizza, Duomo.... until we realized one of our bagpack disappeared by its own.

In the evening, we boarded the train from Milan on the direction to CH.

In between, it stops at Como, and then proceed to Chiasso.

Just a few minutes before Chiasso, the train conductor checked for tickets and we then got up to retrive it from our bag on the overhead compartment.

My friend's bag was no where to be seen... the whole overhead compartment was empty, there was nothing, our bag was gone!

We placed the backpack beside my shopping bag... shopping bag was there, but not the backpack.

We looked everywhere, under the chair, across the aisle... nothing!

Then the conductor asked us for ticket and shakes his head and his hand... and he could not speak much English, but still managed to ask us to leave the train.

We went to the Swiss police, and they informed the bag went missing in Italy, and asked to report to Italian police, and the Italian police said that we realized the bag was missing while in CH, so it has to be reported to the Swiss police. We were running around crossing the CH-Italy border.

In the end, we made a report back in Luzern, and I am glad to be back here. The police here are very helpful and they try to help as much as possible.

So in case that you are traveling to/from Milan, please keep an eye on your belongings, and if possible keep them beside you all the time.
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This also happened to me on a train from Geneva to Lausanne. Be careful!
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

Sorry to hear that. Once bitten twice shy, trains, planes, roads - always keep an eye on your bag, undoubtedly somebody else is. Travel light and use strapped bags that you can wear around you or long straps to keep suff at your feet. Lose sight of , lose it. Keep the vitals (passport, tickets, cash, keys, medicine) in a waist or bum bag) Never leave these in unattended luggage.
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It was a perfect day trip to Milan,
Shopping, Gelato, Pizza, Duomo.... until we realized one of our bagpack disappeared by its own.

In the evening, we boarded the train from Milan on the direction to CH.

In between, it stops at Como, and then proceed to Chiasso.

Just a few minutes before Chiasso, the train conductor checked for tickets and we then got up to retrive it from our bag on the overhead compartment.

My friend's bag was no where to be seen... the whole overhead compartment was empty, there was nothing, our bag was gone!

We placed the backpack beside my shopping bag... shopping bag was there, but not the backpack.

We looked everywhere, under the chair, across the aisle... nothing!

Then the conductor asked us for ticket and shakes his head and his hand... and he could not speak much English, but still managed to ask us to leave the train.

We went to the Swiss police, and they informed the bag went missing in Italy, and asked to report to Italian police, and the Italian police said that we realized the bag was missing while in CH, so it has to be reported to the Swiss police. We were running around crossing the CH-Italy border.

In the end, we made a report back in Luzern, and I am glad to be back here. The police here are very helpful and they try to help as much as possible.

So in case that you are traveling to/from Milan, please keep an eye on your belongings, and if possible keep them beside you all the time.
I have never felt that anything would get stolen on a train if you stick purely to the German part of Switzerland but I would always expect the possibility of theft if I ever crossed into the French half. But to cross over to another country then I would be careful. Sorry about your loss.
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Sorry to hear that. Once bitten twice shy, trains, planes, roads - always keep an eye on your bag, undoubtedly somebody else is. Travel light and use strapped bags that you can wear around you or long straps to keep suff at your feet. Lose sight of , lose it. Keep the vitals (passport, tickets, cash, keys, medicine) in a waist or bum bag) Never leave these in unattended luggage.
Luckily the passport is with us and not in the bag.
We were thinking if there was any suspicious fellow on the coach,
there was a loud family, but we doubt they took it
the other was a young couple with a small kid, where we remember there were pushing the kid in a pram, and they got stuck on our seat, and both of us were busy helping the "husband"....

nevertheless.... ya like you said... we hv only ourselves to be blamed for not leaving the bag on the overhead compartment
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I have never felt that anything would get stolen on a train if you stick purely to the German part of Switzerland but I would always expect the possibility of theft if I ever crossed into the French half. But to cross over to another country then I would be careful. Sorry about your loss.
somehow very true....
i am also a bit skeptical to travel in the French and the Italian part
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This also happened to me on a train from Geneva to Lausanne. Be careful!
I am sorry for your loss too...

I guessed, this seems to happen frequently near the border
and it seems to be rare if you are in somewhere in the central and safer as long as we are not near any border
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I think the general message of being careful should apply, however, sometimes it takes an event like this for people to realize, certainly did for me!

I was on a night train once from Hannover back to Zurich and was sleeping, but like the idiot I was at the time, left my backpack containing my purse underneath the bed (although I guess I was not altogether that stupid, since I made sure I always had my passport on me, but I guess one's passport is in many ways more important).

Nevertheless, I found out later, that the thief opened up my bag, went through my wallet and just ended up taking all my foreign currency at the time (which probably amounted to several hundred CHFs). Im just glad that he had not taken the 5 credit cards that were in there! But I cancelled all of them immediately just in case.

In the end, it leaves you wondering, why would someone do that to you? But more importantly, you wont end up doing it again, thats for sure!
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I think the general message of being careful should apply, however, sometimes it takes an event like this for people to realize, certainly did for me!

I was on a night train once from Hannover back to Zurich and was sleeping, but like the idiot I was at the time, left my backpack containing my purse underneath the bed (although I guess I was not altogether that stupid, since I made sure I always had my passport on me, but I guess one's passport is in many ways more important).

Nevertheless, I found out later, that the thief opened up my bag, went through my wallet and just ended up taking all my foreign currency at the time (which probably amounted to several hundred CHFs). Im just glad that he had not taken the 5 credit cards that were in there! But I cancelled all of them immediately just in case.

In the end, it leaves you wondering, why would someone do that to you? But more importantly, you wont end up doing it again, thats for sure!
You get thieves anywhere even where you would not suspect it. I know of a chess club that visited Scotland Yard in London to play the police force and they were warned to be very careful with their possessions due to the number of thefts they get there.

Strangely enough, although I slagged off Scientology in another thread, you could throw a bundle of money through the door of any of their "Orgs" and you would get every cent back.
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I have never felt that anything would get stolen on a train if you stick purely to the German part of Switzerland but I would always expect the possibility of theft if I ever crossed into the French half. But to cross over to another country then I would be careful. Sorry about your loss.
I think you have to keep your wits about you wherever you are in Switzerland Roland.
The lines to airports and borders seem to be most targeted by thieves. I use the trains a lot in the French part and have never suffered a single theft. And as the following threads show, thefts happen on trains in the German speaking part. I think it would be a mistake to let your guard down anywhere these days.
http://www.englishforum.ch/travel-da...itzerland.html

Bag Lost on Train [Help needed Urgently]

Beware: thieves on TGV train from Paris to Zurich
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I think the thieves attack when people are moving around and the victims are unsure of their surroundings. The items are stolen and the thief then leaves the train, leaving the victim to be carried away, happy that he has found a seat.
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Old 03.08.2010, 11:31
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I have never felt that anything would get stolen on a train if you stick purely to the German part of Switzerland but I would always expect the possibility of theft if I ever crossed into the French half. But to cross over to another country then I would be careful. Sorry about your loss.
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somehow very true....
i am also a bit skeptical to travel in the French and the Italian part

Nothing like a bit of discrimination to go with my morning coffee

Thieves can be anywhere and can come from anywhere as well.



I imagine the issue has far more to do with the distance of travel than the regions themselves.

On a ride (via whatever method) for a short distance, people are more likely to carry less and keep it nearer to hand... longer distances people often are intending to be gone longer and thus, tend to pack more AND need to leave the larger bags someplace where they won't interfere with personal comfort.

So, the message should be "pack as light as possible" and "keep your bags within view" rather than that discriminatory claptrap ya'll were spewing.
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

A couple of tips:

Always face the luggage rack where your bag is. Remember your bag will move forwards in the overhead bin (as the train brakes).

Tie a small bell or wind chime to your bag so it makes a noise when it moves: your ears become very attuned to this sound and you will hear it even if dozing

As the others say, travel docs and cash on your body or in a bag with your leg through the strap.

I feel much safer travelling here than in Italy too but despite the thieves it's still a wonderful place and i hope you get to enjoy Milano and the other parts of Italy over the years
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

I saw the same thing . . on the same train! When the ash cloud caused so much confusion some weeks back we had to fly back to Milan and then caught that saem train.
Just before the guards came around for the tickets, some people came through our carriage looking under seats and overhead. They told us that their bag had just `gone`. Definitely one to be aware of on that train then.
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Not only on the trains, but be extra careful in the stations. Zurich Hbf is full of thieves during the Summer. I was traveling with family and had a rucksack taken that I set down for just a minute with the rest of our luggage. The thieves sold my laptop a few hours later in Geneva.

Pretty common mo, so the police told me.

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Coming from Peru, where lets face it...not much security. I am very careful everywhere I go, have not been robbed in Europe yet *knocks on wood* but was about to in Milan about 5 years ago, the guy was so obviously following us that I stopped and asked him what he wanted and he jsut walked away. Something similar happened in Frankfurt, guy asked me to ask for money, I said I did not understand then another guy approaches me from the back...but the idiot guy that was asking for money looked at him and made me turn around...guy was standing right next to me. I said I had no money and left, the guy followed me so I stopped and let him pass, I changed my route...
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I lost my DSLR camera while coming back from Milan to Zug. Enough said
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

live and learn I guess

this kind of stuff could happen almost anywhere

Since my mid-teens I have frequently travelled with very expensive gear(photography, sound, video etc) and have been lucky that nothing has ever been stolen.

As today it is now my livelyhood I have learned to be careful and play it safe as much as possible.

Locks on the luggage to prevent them from being opened, locks attaching the bags to seats or something strong.

Most of my bags are pretty discreet but I'm sure to a thieving person on the lookout they may scream "steal me".

Beware, be on the lookout, but don't let paranoia set-in as that could well destroy any chance of having fun.
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I have to admit I'm pretty careless when it comes to this stuff. I'm a wallet in the back pocket kind of guy. It drives my wife nuts. She only buys a handbag with a zip. Puts the bag on her inside when she's on the train and loops the strap round her arm. Never puts anything valuable in the luggage rack - in fact she'll put as much as she can between her legs, however uncomfortable it makes her. Makes me burn anything with our name or address on it - she even checks the bin because she knows I'm slack. (Makes her day when she finds some stray envelope I forgot lurking in there). Whenever we go anywhere and I lock the car she'll say "will I take the keys?" Watches me like a hawk whenever I take my wallet out. (Didn't save me that time I drove away with my wallet on the car roof after loading the kids). Lost count of the times we've stopped to have a drink and I've looped the camera over the back of chair then walked away without it only to find her stalking me with the evidence.
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Re: Becareful when traveling to/from Milan by train

What a load of rubbish. I travel back to Milano pretty much every weekend to visit the family, and I have been doing this for nearly two years now from Zurich. I have traveled with big bags, small bags, suitcases etc etc, and as yet no one has ever taken anything. Just take good care like any reasonable human being and you will be fine.

I also travel every week for work to geneva....nothing has never happened on the train. always a pleasant journey.
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