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Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being processed

I'm basically writing to check on what I've been told by the Swiss embassy, with regards to traveling while my permit is still being processed. I'm a non-EU citizen, but I do not need a visa for short time stays in the Schengen area. I arrived to CH about 2 weeks ago for my PhD (detailed account to follow soon, since the exact procedure might interest some people), registered right away at the Gemeindehaus, was told the permit would be ready in 2-3 weeks. I'm registred at a small village so I'm hoping those times will be correct, but I know it could take longer. I think most of the foreigners they get are from the institute I come from so I'm hoping they know how much time it takes usually.

Having read the topics about traveling in and out of Schengen with permit still being processed, I asked at the Swiss embassy about it before moving to CH, just in case the processing times turned out to be longer then advertised. I was hoping I could hop back home for the Christmas holidays, and wanted to make sure.
The very helpful visa employee told me it wouldn't be a problem since I hold a Croatian passport and as such don't need a visa for short stays in Schengen space, and I would have been in CH for just a few weeks by that time.

So, I'm just checking if someone here has had this experience or has info on it. The topics I've seen so far in this subforum regarding these situations always involved people with non-EU passport but needing visas for Schengen zone, even for short stays. If worst comes to worst I can always go and have a new re-entry visa done I guess...
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Old 08.12.2010, 03:30
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

You're already in Schengen so until you leave to go home to another Schengen country there's no check.

You should already have a "Zusicherung" in order to register so you already have a permit approval. Did you keep the copy? Showing this with your confirmation of registration (did you ask for a Bestätigung or did they stamp your passport?) is also sufficient proof of Schengen residency for short trips.
and you have Croatian passport which presents few problems in the EU.

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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

Yes, I kept a copy of the visa approval and and I also had a confirmation of registration done when I registered. I wasn't really worried about traveling within the Schengen area, but since I'll be traveling to Croatia I will need to pass the outer borders of the Schengen zone. And while the people at the Swiss consulate in Zagreb told me it wouldn't pose any problem, as many of us know, you never know with The Man.
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

in your case if you still do not have your permit before you leave, you will need a swiss visa to get back to switzerland. I know how this works in Lausanne but I'm not sure about your city. But the visa procedure is very easy, first you can ask your Gemeindehaus the address of the visa office, and you go to the visa office with your passport, pay 100 CHF (unfortunately) in cash and they issue your visa, usually immediately. then you can travel out of schengen zone and come back without any problems.

in Lausanne getting your permit takes 3-4 months when you apply in December-January, when they are super busy.

i hope in your town since there are not many foreigners it would be faster
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Old 16.12.2010, 13:39
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

Go to the office of immigration, they will give you a free visa till you get your permit, the registration letter is for national use only, you can NOT use it abroad or in schengen area, only within CH borders
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in your case if you still do not have your permit before you leave, you will need a swiss visa to get back to switzerland.
Nope. Only those who require a visa for toruism would require one in these circumstances.
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Go to the office of immigration, they will give you a free visa till you get your permit, the registration letter is for national use only, you can NOT use it abroad or in schengen area, only within CH borders
Not required.
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

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Not required.
I thought a return visa was always needed when the work permit renewal was i process.
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

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I thought a return visa was always needed when the work permit renewal was i process.
it is indeed needed, my friend just got one this morning (we are turkish, so non-eu with visa requirement) since the commune told her that her permit won't be renewed before january or february even though she requested the renewal 2 months ago
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

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it is indeed needed, my friend just got one this morning (we are turkish, so non-eu with visa requirement) since the commune told her that her permit won't be renewed before january or february even though she requested the renewal 2 months ago
That's true, non EU require visa if permit is in process, my permit is submitted for renewal since july and haven't got it yet, therefore i do require a visa to move anywhere.
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Old 16.12.2010, 21:53
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

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That's true, non EU require visa if permit is in process.
Not exactly true. It really depends on whether you can move freely in the EU with your passport.

We travel on Australian passports. We are assumed to be 'tourists' but need our residency documents for re-entry to Switzerland...the document that shows that we are registered at the Gemeinde was enough for this purpose, and it took 2-3 months for the cards to be issued, which was well within the 3 month 'tourist' limit...moving around Europe or to the Uk, we don't normally need a Visa anyway...
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

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Not exactly true. It really depends on whether you can move freely in the EU with your passport.

We travel on Australian passports. We are assumed to be 'tourists' but need our residency documents for re-entry to Switzerland...the document that shows that we are registered at the Gemeinde was enough for this purpose, and it took 2-3 months for the cards to be issued, which was well within the 3 month 'tourist' limit...moving around Europe or to the Uk, we don't normally need a Visa anyway...
But if you're past the 3 months tourist visa with no permit, it means there's no proof of residency nor tourism, then you're illegally being in Europe unless you got a visa from Switzerland
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Old 16.12.2010, 23:17
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

Yes, but in the OP's case, the permit has been approved, it's just that the card has not been processed yet. You can easily get a 'temporary' proof of residence at the Gemeinde which is the next best thing to having the card which will arrive within 2-3 months of registering, well within the 'tourist' limit (ours took 5 weeks this time)...
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Old 16.12.2010, 23:20
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

And yes, worst case you will need a new re-entry visa. But you shouldn't, because you are already registered at the Gemeinde as a resident of Switzerland.

Oh, and don't worry, the system will eventually catch up with you - amazing what you get 'automatically' in Switzerland once you are registered - all the local authorities know you are here!
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

In danger of repeating myself here but ....

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I thought a return visa was always needed when the work permit renewal was i process.
Not in the OP's case.

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it is indeed needed, my friend just got one this morning (we are turkish, so non-eu with visa requirement) since the commune told her that her permit won't be renewed before january or february even though she requested the renewal 2 months ago
Not in the OP's case.

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That's true, non EU require visa if permit is in process, my permit is submitted for renewal since july and haven't got it yet, therefore i do require a visa to move anywhere.
Not in the OP's case.

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But if you're past the 3 months tourist visa with no permit, it means there's no proof of residency nor tourism, then you're illegally being in Europe unless you got a visa from Switzerland
Not in the OP's case.

The OP has been here 2 weeks.
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

haha i have been looking for this kind of topic. I am holding thai passport, and i want to go to Budapest this X'mas. My permit is under process, my question is that is there any possible way I can get out of country?

I got only single entry type D visa valid only Suisse.
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

For a visa to Hungary on a Thai passport - the best recommendation would be to contact the Hungarian consulate general in switzerland and ask them what documents you need to travel - and do it fast because time is running out...for Christmas...

http://missions.itu.int/~hungary/huoffice.htm
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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

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In danger of repeating myself here but ....
I think what a couple of posters above and myself are referring to is the visa needed to come BACK to CH, not going out. This has no connection with how long you've been here. It has been discussed in another thread as well.

Travel while work permit renewal is processing?

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Re: Clarification regarding traveling out of Schengen area while permit being process

If the permit hs not been processed and you need to leave CH to re-entry (especially by plane) it is best to go to the immigration office to get a bridging visa.
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I think what a couple of posters above and myself are referring to is the visa needed to come BACK to CH, not going out. This has no connection with how long you've been here. It has been discussed in another thread as well.
The OP does not need a visa to enter Switzerland. Don't make me shout it.
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