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L permit for Finnish aupair

Hello, does anyone know the process for applying L permit for European aupair?
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Re: L permit for Finnish aupair

Have never done that myself, so unfortunately cannot show you the ropes, but I believe you may find the following thread very useful. In particular, notice that you cannot hire an au pair having the same native tongue that you and your family speak at home.

Au pair age restrictions

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Have never done that myself, so unfortunately cannot show you the ropes, but I believe you may find the following thread very useful. In particular, notice that you cannot hire an au pair having the same native tongue that you and your family speak at home.

Au pair age restrictions

Good luck!
Not correct in these circumstances. The au pair rules do not apply.
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Old 11.12.2010, 09:54
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Hello, does anyone know the process for applying L permit for European aupair?
For an EU citizen (assuming we are talking old EU and not new fangled EU) then you only need a residence permit which is issued on the production of an employment contract.

Forget the term "Au Pair" - this has special meaning in Switzerland and special rules but is meant only for non-EU citizens. Instead, prepare an employment contract for a live-in "mother's help" or "nanny".

For an "Au Pair" you would have to pay the health insurance and provide language lessons - in your case, for a "mother's help", you can include things like language lessons in the contract but the person must pay their own health insurance so you will have to allow for that in their pay. Also, you must, as an employer, arrange accident and public liability insurance.

The employee takes that contract to the gemeinde and will be issued with the residence permit. Simple as that.
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Instead, prepare an employment contract for a live-in "mother's help" or "nanny".

For an "Au Pair" you would have to pay the health insurance and provide language lessons - in your case, for a "mother's help", you can include things like language lessons in the contract but the person must pay their own health insurance so you will have to allow for that in their pay. Also, you must, as an employer, arrange accident and public liability insurance.
Thanks, swissbob, this is really useful. I take it this would also mean the "mother's help" would not be restricted to working 30 hours per week, as an Au Pair would? Presumably, they could work more hours (if the pay were restructured, of course)? Does it also mean the language issues don't apply either? (i.e. not having the same mother-tongue as the "employer" rather than the "host family")

If this is the case, does anyone know of any online resources where one might find a pro-forma employment contract? I've tried the website for Kanton Zürich but I end up going round in circles because my German isn't good enough Saying that, I guess I need the contract to be in German ...

Any ideas, please, anyone?
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I take it this would also mean the "mother's help" would not be restricted to working 30 hours per week, as an Au Pair would? Presumably, they could work more hours (if the pay were restructured, of course)?
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Does it also mean the language issues don't apply either? (i.e. not having the same mother-tongue as the "employer" rather than the "host family")
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.... Saying that, I guess I need the contract to be in German ...
I have never had a contract in anything except English and it's never been a problem. Worst case your local town hall insists on a translation but I never heard of it.
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Re: L permit for Finnish aupair

Wow! Better and better!!

Thanks due once again, swissbob

Eeerrrrmm..... not wishing to push my luck or anything, but I don't suppose you'd know where to get an English pro-forma then ?

Apologies for bare-faced cheek and all, but I wouldn't know where to start drafting from scratch
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Re: L permit for Finnish aupair

OK maybe that was a bit cheeky I found an English contract that will fit the bill. I've also discovered you'd need to pay AHV (on the gross salary i.e. inclusive of extras for German lessons and Health cover) but does anyone know what's required vis à vis income tax for a EU domestic employee on a standard (ie not "Au Pair" scheme) employment contract, please? Hope that's not a silly question but it only just occurred to me..
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For an EU citizen (assuming we are talking old EU and not new fangled EU) then you only need a residence permit which is issued on the production of an employment contract.

Forget the term "Au Pair" - this has special meaning in Switzerland and special rules but is meant only for non-EU citizens. Instead, prepare an employment contract for a live-in "mother's help" or "nanny".

For an "Au Pair" you would have to pay the health insurance and provide language lessons - in your case, for a "mother's help", you can include things like language lessons in the contract but the person must pay their own health insurance so you will have to allow for that in their pay. Also, you must, as an employer, arrange accident and public liability insurance.

The employee takes that contract to the gemeinde and will be issued with the residence permit. Simple as that.
Hi guys, I am new to this great forum, and relocating from Finland to Zurich later this month.
We are hoping to organise a Finnish au pair for us, and to get around the language restriction, I understand that we simply need to call her a live-in nanny or live-in mother's help.

However, what is the wage that we should pay her under a "nanny" status. I understand that the au pair allowance is likely below minimum wage or is it.

If the weekly hours would be the same, i.e. 30 hours, what would be the minimum wage. Please comment also on an appropriate compensation level, as at least the au pair minimum rates seem kinda low.

Thanks in advance.
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I think there is a collective labour agreement for private staff Hausangestellte which includes minimum wage
Depending on qualifications it starts at 18 ish francs / hour and goes up to 22 and above for qualified.

If i am correct it also stipulates you must pay them a 13th salary once a year. Actually if someone could confirm this one it would be v helpful

You can subtract 990 francs for room and board if they live with you and agree.

Depending on who they are and whether they could find alternative employment you may want to adjust the minimum up.

Remember room and board and other benefits (health insurance) are taxable and included in the base for social security contributions. So even if you don't charge them the 990 you must add it to the soc sec/ pensions / tax calcs.

Good luck and please share with us what you find - I am in the process of finding my way round the system for our polish live in nanny. A headache.
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Re: L permit for Finnish aupair

sorry to jump this forum that seems to have stopped over a year ago.. But I feel it's relavent to my problems..Does this mean as an aupair (from the EU) I can't work an extra job as a teacher?

I'm a trained english language teacher and was hoping to do both...

Is it then better that I ask the family to register me as a mothers helper?

Thanks
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I think there is a collective labour agreement for private staff Hausangestellte which includes minimum wage
Depending on qualifications it starts at 18 ish francs / hour and goes up to 22 and above for qualified.

If i am correct it also stipulates you must pay them a 13th salary once a year. Actually if someone could confirm this one it would be v helpful

You can subtract 990 francs for room and board if they live with you and agree.

Depending on who they are and whether they could find alternative employment you may want to adjust the minimum up.

Remember room and board and other benefits (health insurance) are taxable and included in the base for social security contributions. So even if you don't charge them the 990 you must add it to the soc sec/ pensions / tax calcs.

Good luck and please share with us what you find - I am in the process of finding my way round the system for our polish live in nanny. A headache.
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sorry to jump this forum that seems to have stopped over a year ago.. But I feel it's relavent to my problems..Does this mean as an aupair (from the EU) I can't work an extra job as a teacher?

I'm a trained english language teacher and was hoping to do both...

Is it then better that I ask the family to register me as a mothers helper?

Thanks
Yes you can.

If you're from one of the initial member states (rater Western Europe or one of the few first Eastern European countries to join - never can remember which) you will have a B-Permit and you can work as much as you desire (you need a contract and taxed at source).

Now getting a job as an English teacher may be difficult (is it TEFL you have?) as there are more than enough "English" teachers out there...

Cheerio
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Re: L permit for Finnish aupair

Thanks Frank, makes me feel a-lot better!

Actually no I'm just in the process of finishing my CELTA course. I realize that, but as I'll be CELTA trained I should have a good standing. The english as a foreign language makes is really a test to see if i'd like to get into secondary school teaching, if and when i'll be taking a masters to do so.




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Yes you can.

If you're from one of the initial member states (rater Western Europe or one of the few first Eastern European countries to join - never can remember which) you will have a B-Permit and you can work as much as you desire (you need a contract and taxed at source).

Now getting a job as an English teacher may be difficult (is it TEFL you have?) as there are more than enough "English" teachers out there...

Cheerio
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