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in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

I have an idea, that from everything I have read seems totally within the rules.

I am US citizen traveling to Switzerland so I don't need a visa and I can go in and out of schengen and non schengen countries in Europe so long as I don't overstay the 90 days. I read that is is 90 days consecutive or combined in a 6 month period that I can stay in a schengen country.

So what if I travel to Lichenstein or Andorra, or monaco, or San Marino on weekends? Then for every day I spend outside the Schengen area that shouldnt count towards my 90 days within the Schengen area, that being Switzerland.

Will this work?

That way if we keep going out and in we can essentially stay up to 6 months so long as only 90 of our days are spent in a Schengen area.

Thought?
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

Lichenstein & Monaco don't have any passport control so nobody will ever know you visited. Visiting London should work.
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

The stay in the Schengen States, however, may not exceed 90 days within a 6-months period.

http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/...nf/visusa.html
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That way if we keep going out and in we can essentially stay up to 6 months so long as only 90 of our days are spent in a Schengen area.
You wont be "staying up to 6 months", you'll be staying 90 days spread out over a 6 month period which is allowed by law.
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

Then I think that will solve my problems!!! We will just travel to non-schengen areas during those 6 months and not be more then 90 days in the shengen area. I read somwhere that now there is border controls in Liechtenstein, so we would be able to get a stamp there to prove we were out of the schengen area. Is Cyprus still non-schengen? What about Bulgaria and Romania?
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Area

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Old 19.12.2010, 09:22
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I read somwhere that now there is border controls in Liechtenstein, so we would be able to get a stamp there to prove we were out of the schengen area.
As stated previously in this thread there are no border controls between Switzerland and Liechtenstein.

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http://www.liechtenstein.li/en/eliec...-tourismus.htm

http://www.tourismus.li/en/navpage-R...nLI-44729.html


If you had read the link that jrspet had supplied above you would have seen the following:

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The Principalty of Liechtenstein is not yet a member of the Schengen Agreement. However, the requirements are the same as for Switzerland.
source: http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/...ontentPar_0004
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Then I think that will solve my problems!!! We will just travel to non-schengen areas during those 6 months and not be more then 90 days in the shengen area. I read somwhere that now there is border controls in Liechtenstein, so we would be able to get a stamp there to prove we were out of the schengen area. Is Cyprus still non-schengen? What about Bulgaria and Romania?
Why don't you look up in Google which countries belong to the Schengen agreement, it's not very difficult.

As to your scheme, yes it would work and it is legal, however they will soon see what you are doing via the computer system and i guess if you over stay, even by a day, the authorities may take their revenge.
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

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I have an idea, that from everything I have read seems totally within the rules.

I am US citizen traveling to Switzerland so I don't need a visa and I can go in and out of schengen and non schengen countries in Europe so long as I don't overstay the 90 days. I read that is is 90 days consecutive or combined in a 6 month period that I can stay in a schengen country.

So what if I travel to Lichenstein or Andorra, or monaco, or San Marino on weekends? Then for every day I spend outside the Schengen area that shouldnt count towards my 90 days within the Schengen area, that being Switzerland.

Will this work?

That way if we keep going out and in we can essentially stay up to 6 months so long as only 90 of our days are spent in a Schengen area.

Thought?
I am not sure, but there are some two rules. One is something about 90 days, and the other rule is something about 180 days. I am not completely sure, but it is something like you can't stay more than 90 days within a 180 days period or something like that. (see here schengen visa for the schengen visa details) So, technically, if you leave the schengen zone every other day, you might fit in. But, aren't you then just going to spend 90 days traveling in and out?? How much will it cost you to buy an airplane ticket to leave Switzerland for a few days?
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

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I am not sure, but there are some two rules. One is something about 90 days, and the other rule is something about 180 days. I am not completely sure, but it is something like you can't stay more than 90 days within a 180 days period or something like that. (see here schengen visa for the schengen visa details) So, technically, if you leave the schengen zone every other day, you might fit in. But, aren't you then just going to spend 90 days traveling in and out?? How much will it cost you to buy an airplane ticket to leave Switzerland for a few days?
The rule is 90 days within 180 days, that means 90 days in Schengen area and the following 90 days out of Schengen area, so in total you're entitled to 180 days stay per year with maximum of 90 days within every consecutive 6 months.
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

Sigh. Sign up for a language course, turn up, get a letter from the school saying you want to continue your studies and tell the authorities "It'd be a pain to have to leave for six months and return... may I not simply have an itsy bitsy 'L' permit to allow me to finish my X month course? Preddy Please?" and they *may* take kindly, granting an 18 month 'L'. They may not, of course, and then you're exposed.
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The rule is 90 days within 180 days, that means 90 days in Schengen area and the following 90 days out of Schengen area, so in total you're entitled to 180 days stay per year with maximum of 90 days within every consecutive 6 months.
I think I may have seriously misinterpretted this myself!!! I thought it was per calendar year - which is VERY different than consecutive 6 months!! Now I am starting to panic. I have been in and out of Switzerland since October 2010. I am just applying for my family reunification visa tomorrow (flying to london). ONly left it so late because the hubby's job was supposed to do it for me but that didn't go to plan - I guess if you want something done right you have to do it yourself. I was counting my 90 days from January and have bought flights up to April based on this but if it is the last 6 months then I'm gonna run out very soon!! What do they do? If I enter on Friday and have a return flight booked for the 4th of March but will exceed the 90 days - might they let me stay - if I show that I have my flight booked??? I have tried talking to the Swiss embassy in London but they are not helpful! Hopefully they will be better in person tomorrow. Unless all my calls and emails have put them off!!! Please wish me luck - I certainly need it!!
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

fly into a neighbouring country and drive into Switzerland by car. i know a few people who stayed here much longer than the allowed time. so long as you're not paying for a hotel or other lodgings in your own name, there's nothing to show how long you've been here.
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I think I may have seriously misinterpretted this myself!!! I thought it was per calendar year - which is VERY different than consecutive 6 months!! Now I am starting to panic. I have been in and out of Switzerland since October 2010. I am just applying for my family reunification visa tomorrow (flying to london). ONly left it so late because the hubby's job was supposed to do it for me but that didn't go to plan - I guess if you want something done right you have to do it yourself. I was counting my 90 days from January and have bought flights up to April based on this but if it is the last 6 months then I'm gonna run out very soon!! What do they do? If I enter on Friday and have a return flight booked for the 4th of March but will exceed the 90 days - might they let me stay - if I show that I have my flight booked??? I have tried talking to the Swiss embassy in London but they are not helpful! Hopefully they will be better in person tomorrow. Unless all my calls and emails have put them off!!! Please wish me luck - I certainly need it!!
to be honest, i'd keep quiet and hope nobody notices. i guess if you point it out to them they're not going to waive the rules for you but would rather either kick you out or stop you entering in the first place.
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

I'm just thinking when they scan the passport in - does it come up with the number of days on the screen? If it counts the last six months then I am already at my limit and have a flight back on friday . If it starts anew on the 1st of the year then I am only at about 40 days . I guess I will find out on friday. My husband will have heart failure if I don't come through the airport and he is stuck waiting on the otherside.

Maybe I can apply for a 90 day visitor visa while I wait for my permit????

In retrospect maybe starting a job in a foreign country 10 days after having the interview isn't always the best idea. Live and learn.
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so long as you're not paying for a hotel or other lodgings in your own name, there's nothing to show how long you've been here.
Err, one might just want to read this Wikipedia reference-linkSchengen_Information_System - before trying this

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to be honest, i'd keep quiet and hope nobody notices.
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Re: in order to not overstay my 90 days, will this work?

I did realise that all the schenga states counted as one for the 90 days rule.

As an American I didn't need a tourist visa to get my 90 days. But now that they are used up, can I apply for a tourist visa to get another 90??
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I'm just thinking when they scan the passport in - does it come up with the number of days on the screen? If it counts the last six months then I am already at my limit and have a flight back on friday . If it starts anew on the 1st of the year then I am only at about 40 days . I guess I will find out on friday. My husband will have heart failure if I don't come through the airport and he is stuck waiting on the otherside.

Maybe I can apply for a 90 day visitor visa while I wait for my permit????

In retrospect maybe starting a job in a foreign country 10 days after having the interview isn't always the best idea. Live and learn.
good luck. if you're already at your limit before entering switzerland then i think you might need it.
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As an American I didn't need a tourist visa to get my 90 days. But now that they are used up, can I apply for a tourist visa to get another 90??
No - you now need a national visa (category D, iirc) issued by a Schengen state. Sorry
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No - you now need a national visa (category D, iirc) issued by a Schengen state. Sorry
I think that's what I'm applying for tomorrow in London. Well the form says long stay visa D on the top. But was told this could take 2 to 3 months I dont' mind getting to spend more time here in our home while waiting for it to come through. Just worried about leaving the hubby on his own over there. And I'll miss the carnival in Basel!!!!!
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