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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi TimTim,

Does date of issuance of your permit C is linked with expiry date of current or old permit?
I mean does permit C was issued when your current or last permit has reached the expiry date?
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Hi TimTim,

Does date of issuance of your permit C is linked with expiry date of current or old permit?
I mean does permit C was issued when your current or last permit has reached the expiry date?
No, it does not. Important is that you are 5 years in the country, as soon as this is reached you can apply for C permit. You can do it in a middle of your 'period'. At least thats what i was said by authorities and what has happened with me. My old B permit is still valid until March 2017
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

In my case, I completed about six year already and MA(Migrationsamt) confirmed that I fullfill all requirements (TELC B1,..etc). But they will issue the permit C when my current B will expire (which is in two months)...This sounds bit unusual..
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

I've got my C permit two months before the actual 5 full residence years. One month after applied for it. You can apply 3 months in advance of previous permit's expiration.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Question.
Does the C Permit need full 5 years of uninterrupted stay?
I was in Ch for 02 years and then moved to singapore for 03 years.
My b permit was frozen while I was away and I continued to pay taxes in CH while I was in singapore.
And then I came back and have been in switzerland for over 03 years.
Can I apply for an early C permit now or do I need to wait for full 05 years of stay?
Advise from the migration authorities is contradictory and thus checking.
Last year they told me it was fine.
This year they told me that rules have changed and now I need to live continuously for 05 years before I am eligible and thus dont recognise the time I was in CH before. Has anyone else had such an experience?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Depends on nationality.

If third world country, then you need 5 last years of non-interrupted residence for the early issue of C permit, the law is very clear on that.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a34
"2. Ausländerinnen und Ausländern kann die Niederlassungsbewilligung erteilt werden, wenn:
a) sie sich insgesamt mindestens zehn Jahre mit einer Kurzaufenthalts- oder Aufenthaltsbewilligung in der Schweiz aufgehalten haben und sie während den letzten fünf Jahren ununterbrochen im Besitz einer Aufenthaltsbewilligung waren ..."
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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Depends on nationality.

If third world country, then you need 5 last years of non-interrupted residence for the early issue of C permit, the law is very clear on that.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...index.html#a34
"2. Ausländerinnen und Ausländern kann die Niederlassungsbewilligung erteilt werden, wenn:
a) sie sich insgesamt mindestens zehn Jahre mit einer Kurzaufenthalts- oder Aufenthaltsbewilligung in der Schweiz aufgehalten haben und sie während den letzten fünf Jahren ununterbrochen im Besitz einer Aufenthaltsbewilligung waren ..."
What you quoted is irrelevant. This thread is about exceptions under VIntA.

OP: do you fulfill all other requirements?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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What you quoted is irrelevant. This thread is about exceptions under VIntA.

OP: do you fulfill all other requirements?
Not saying you're wrong, but I'm wondering how is the quote not relevant? VIntA doesn't waive the 5-year requirement AFAIK - it's what allows some folks to obtain C-permit early instead of waiting 10 years.

Edit to add - I don't know what canton logo123 is in, but in Zurich it seems clear the requirement is for the 5 years immediately preceding the application, not a broken 5 years over time.
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What you quoted is irrelevant. This thread is about exceptions under VIntA.

OP: do you fulfill all other requirements?
Yeah, let's hear some arguments why you think it's irrelevant.

The quoted article is the main legal basis for the early issue of C permit after 5 years, not VIntA. See the full text, I should have quoted more of it, but either way 5 years of uninterrupted residence is a must.

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Relevant are the following articles / paragraphs:

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Art. 34 Niederlassungsbewilligung


3 Die Niederlassungsbewilligung kann nach einem kürzeren Aufenthalt erteilt werden, wenn dafür wichtige Gründe bestehen.

4 Sie kann bei erfolgreicher Integration, namentlich wenn die betroffene Person über gute Kenntnisse einer Landessprache verfügt, nach ununterbrochenem Aufenthalt mit Aufenthaltsbewilligung während der letzten fünf Jahre erteilt werden.

5 Vorübergehende Aufenthalte werden an den ununterbrochenen Aufenthalt in den letzten fünf Jahren nach den Absätzen [...] 4 nicht angerechnet. Aufenthalte zur Aus- oder Weiterbildung (Art. 27) werden angerechnet, wenn die betroffene Person nach deren Beendigung während zweier Jahre ununterbrochen im Besitz einer Aufenthaltsbewilligung für einen dauerhaften Aufenthalt war.

Art. 54 Berücksichtigung der Integration bei Entscheiden

2 Der Grad der Integration wird bei der Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung (Art. 34 Abs. 4) und bei der Ausübung des Ermessens durch die Behörden, insbesondere bei Weg- und Ausweisungen sowie Einreiseverboten, berücksichtigt (Art. 96).

VIntA

Art. 3 Berücksichtigung der Integration bei Entscheiden

Bei der Ausübung des Ermessens durch die Behörden, namentlich bei der vorzeitigen Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung nach Artikel 62 der Verordnung vom 24. Oktober 20071 über Zulassung, Aufenthalt und Erwerbstätigkeit, wird der Grad der Integration der Ausländerinnen und der Ausländer berücksichtigt. Bei Familien ist der Integrationsgrad der Familienangehörigen zu beachten.

VZAE

Art. 62 Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung bei erfolgreicher Integration

(Art. 34 Abs. 4 AuG)

1 Die Niederlassungsbewilligung kann bei einer erfolgreichen Integration erteilt werden, wenn die Ausländerin oder der Ausländer namentlich:

a. die rechtsstaatliche Ordnung und die Werte der Bundesverfassung respektiert;
b. in der am Wohnort gesprochenen Landessprache mindestens das Referenzniveau A2 des gemeinsamen europäischen Referenzrahmens für Sprachen des Europarates1 erreicht; in begründeten Fällen können auch Kenntnisse einer anderen Landessprache berücksichtigt werden;
c. den Willen zur Teilnahme am Wirtschaftsleben und zum Erwerb von Bildung bekundet.

2 Bei der Prüfung des Gesuchs um vorzeitige Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung wird der Integrationsgrad der Familienangehörigen berücksichtigt, die älter als zwölf Jahre sind.
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What you quoted is irrelevant. This thread is about exceptions under VIntA.

OP: do you fulfill all other requirements?
What he quoted seems very relevant to the post be was responding to. (logo123)

Five years of uninterrupted residence is required in order to be eligible for an early C permit through VIntA.

Your later post confirms that.
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What he quoted seems very relevant to the post be was responding to. (logo123)

Five years of uninterrupted residence is required in order to be eligible for an early C permit through VIntA.

Your later post confirms that.
Belgianmum, quoted were general criteria for C permit eligibility (not under VIntA)
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Belgianmum, quoted were general criteria for C permit eligibility (not under VIntA)
Still needs to be 5 years uninterrupted though even under VIntA.
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Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Thank you for your responses.
So it does not matter that I continued to pay Swiss Taxes all the while I was in Singapore because I was on an international assignment i.e. a Swiss contract and my permit remained frozen because they expected me to come back.
Not challenging what has been shared, trying to understand.
This is a bit of an unusual situation and thus checking.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Why did you continue to pay Swiss taxes if you were not resident here and what exactly taxes did you pay? Normally you should be a tax resident in just exactly one country for any calendar year, where you've stayed for 180+ days, and pay the taxes there.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

logo123 - I think the best you can do is request the permit paperwork from your municipality and read it carefully. Regardless of what we say here, it's what that documentation says (and what the municipal/cantonal/federal authorities think) that matters.

You say your permit was on hold because you went abroad for a Swiss employer, and that's not a situation I recall seeing recently here on EF. I've mostly seen stories of people who left and de-registered completely, only to come back and start at zero.

If you think you're eligible and fulfill all the requirements, go ahead and apply! If you've got a permanent contract with your employer I think the "worst" that will happen is they renew the B permit and tell you to wait a few more years.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

I will be completing my Deutsch A2 course by Nov and that is also when my permit is up for renewal.

I meet all other VINTA requirements, however am just wondering if they accept A2 or insist for a B1 certificate in ZH.

Also, do they really ask you to submit a A2/B1 Goethe certificate or a course completion certificate is also accepted?


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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

They will not accept A2 unless you are applying after 10 years.

And also just a course completion certificate will not be accepted

I tried both, but eventually had to do the TELC B1 exam for C permit
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B1 certificate is needed in ZH from Goethe, Telc, ÖSD or TestDaF.
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