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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

The Canton de Vaud's website gives general requirements information to obtain an early C (French):

http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...jour-l-b-ou-c/

For specific requirements, it might be best to contact the Vaud migration authorities at the email address listed at the bottom of the above webpage.

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Dear all

Out of curiosity, is there any difference between a C permit for EU citizens and non EU citizens in terms of rights, privileges and etc?

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Quick question regarding my chances of getting a C-permit under VINTA.

I've been told by several sources that getting a C-permit would help me in my job search, and that it's also a prudent thing to do before starting the divorce procedures. Thing is though, I'm afraid that not having a job at the moment and being separated are the exact reasons I might not get it.

Here are the facts:

Me: non-EU, in my 6th year in Zürich, decent German (B1 shouldn't be a major issue), not working but looking for employment, decent level of integration I would say. Not memeber of any Vereins, but I've hiked so much I know the Swiss Alps better than many Swiss, I worked a ski instructor last winter and I generally try to do things "the local way".

Him: EFTA citizen, in his 7th year in CH, 6th in Zürich, decent German (probably closer to B2), here on a local contract.

Junior: Has spent more than 1/2 his life in Zürich, speaks German fluently, goes to a Swiss owned Montessori school, integrated to the level of calling himself a Canadian-Norwegian Zürcher.

We're separated since July, we've been married 21 years and I stopped working to follow him in here. He's supporting me financially and the deal is that he will continue until I find myself a job. Part of the reason for me to apply for VINTA, is that I hope it will make it easier for me to get one and become financially independent. As far as I understand it, if they refuse I might at least get an independent B which would be an improvement; at the moment my B-permit is tied to his and it's a rather uncomfortable situation for the both of us.

Currently looking into the German exams, and hoping I can send my application before the end of the year.

Any wise advice from you good people?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

From your description of Junior, it appears that your husband is Norwegian and you are Canadian. After five years of residence in Switzerland, Norwegian and Canadian citizens may apply for a C permit under the ordinary process. See para. 4.1.2.1 and section 8.2:

https://ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherheit...lligung_IW.pdf

Requirements to apply for a C permit under the ordinary process are at para. 4.2.1. Also, application of the regulations is described at para. 4.3 Praxis.

You might also want to look at Art. 62 in the Foreigners' Law at this link, which is mentioned in para. 4.3, although it is likely not relevant to your situation:

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

The requirements in 4.2.1 mention that a current employment contract and wage statements are to be presented. It would obviously be better to have a current employment contract to submit than one that has expired. If you are registered with RAV, submit your most recent RAV monthly statement.

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From your description of Junior, it appears that your husband is Norwegian and you are Canadian. After five years of residence in Switzerland, Norwegian and Canadian citizens may apply for a C permit under the ordinary process. See para. 4.1.2.1 and section 8.2:

https://ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherheit...lligung_IW.pdf

Requirements to apply for a C permit under the ordinary process are at para. 4.2.1. Also, application of the regulations is described at para. 4.3 Praxis.

You might also want to look at Art. 62 in the Foreigners' Law at this link, which is mentioned in para. 4.3, although it is likely not relevant to your situation:

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

The requirements in 4.2.1 mention that a current employment contract and wage statements are to be presented. It would obviously be better to have a current employment contract to submit than one that has expired. If you are registered with RAV, submit your most recent RAV monthly statement.

Good luck to you!
Thanks,

I had already read those documents and discussed with a few people. The challenge is us being separated. If I was a stay at home wife, I've been told would get the C as part of the "furniture" in the family since both my son and his dad will get it without any problems. Now that we're separated, it's more uncertain. Some people have told me I might still be considered "luggage" given my son's level of integration and the fact that we share custody, others aren't so sure.

Personally I don't really mind whether I have a B or a C, as long as I don't get discriminated against while looking for a job because I "only" have a B. And there's also the issue of my B-permit being dependant on my husband's. It's uncomfortable for the both of us, as it give him the power to make my life really difficult (if he decided to move back to Norway, I'd be knee deep in s...) but it also makes harder for him to move on. He's got a girlfriend, and I assume that sooner or later he will want to get divorced so he can marry her; I don't think he would want to put me in a situation where I risk expulsion and separation from our son.

I've lost my right to live in Norway after being here more than 2 years and I haven't lived in Canada for more than 2 decades, I'm not too keen on being sent back to a place that's not home anymore. We have 50% shared custody because we both want to be involved in our son's life, I just want to ensure that we can continue doing so in the future.

Yes, it would have been wiser to wait for the C-permit before separating, but sometimes it's just not possible to stretch a relationship longer, even for good reasons.

I guess I'll just have to try and see what happens. Hopefully I'll get at least an independant B permit.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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The Canton de Vaud's website gives general requirements information to obtain an early C (French):

http://www.vd.ch/themes/vie-privee/p...jour-l-b-ou-c/

For specific requirements, it might be best to contact the Vaud migration authorities at the email address listed at the bottom of the above webpage.

Good luck to you!
Hi Mullhollander,

Thank you for the answer, but isn't it a federal matter ? As you saw, they don't really give the specific informations.. i tried to call them (32 times) no answer
I was hoping someone could have heard about a similar case...

Thanks again.
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Thank you for the answer, but isn't it a federal matter ? As you saw, they don't really give the specific informations.. i tried to call them (32 times) no answer
No, issuing an early C permit is not a federal matter. The possibility together with some very vague requirements is indeed codified in the federal law but the implementation is left to the cantons and it varies significantly (e.g., some cantons (ZH) count L permits on indefinite contracts towards the 5 year mark, some others don't).
If they won't pick up the phone I'd suggest you come over to the immigration office in person to chat (or send them a written inquiry by registered mail).
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No, issuing an early C permit is not a federal matter. The possibility together with some very vague requirements is indeed codified in the federal law but the implementation is left to the cantons and it varies significantly (e.g., some cantons (ZH) count L permits on indefinite contracts towards the 5 year mark, some others don't).
If they won't pick up the phone I'd suggest you come over to the immigration office in person to chat (or send them a written inquiry by registered mail).
Thanks NichtsBesonders for the answer, i wrote them en email yesterday and i'm waiting for answer. Let's hope the 2 years of L permit are counted in Vaud!!
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Dear all

Out of curiosity, is there any difference between a C permit for EU citizens and non EU citizens in terms of rights, privileges and etc?

Many Thanks
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No.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Just got my new C-permit through Vinta!

After submitting all the papers in September I've got an appointment for biometry and was told that within two weeks after the biometry I should get a brief with whether a request for more papers or our permits. I had to call the MA a week ago because I didn't hear anything from them during 4 weeks after the biometry. They apologized and said my case was "forgotten"... and I need to wait another two weeks. And finally the C-permits for the whole family are here!

What was special in my case - I spent 1.5 month on RAV three years ago. Canton Zurich.
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Just got my new C-permit through Vinta!

After submitting all the papers in September I've got an appointment for biometry and was told that within two weeks after the biometry I should get a brief with whether a request for more papers or our permits. I had to call the MA a week ago because I didn't hear anything from them during 4 weeks after the biometry. They apologized and said my case was "forgotten"... and I need to wait another two weeks. And finally the C-permits for the whole family are here!

What was special in my case - I spent 1.5 month on RAV three years ago. Canton Zurich.

Congrats. Were you ever on L Permit? if yes, was that considered?
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Congrats. Were you ever on L Permit? if yes, was that considered?
Thank you. I spent two years on L, then nearly 4 on B. My first L was open-ended.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Congratulations kkmm. I'd be surprised if the L was an open ended one. The contract may have been, but L permits are limited to being 1 year or less in duration.
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Congratulations kkmm. I'd be surprised if the L was an open ended one. The contract may have been, but L permits are limited to being 1 year or less in duration.
Thanks Medea! My L was tied to my first employer and was renewed yearly. I got my termination notice just a month after my second L was converted to B (still tied). Lucky one, huh? The whole company was closed at that time. Head of my department decided then to take over all the customers and projects and founded a new company. With full support from his side my B permit was re-approved and was not tied anymore. I had to use the time to learn what RAV is. Meantime my Boss setted up a new office and I joined him again. Later we moved office to another canton, a year later did rebranding and changed the name. Every year was full of surprises and followed by certain challenges during annual permit renew... I'm very happy it's over now.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Just got news from Migrationsamt ZH that they forwarded my early C application to Bern (SEM) for final approval and hoping that it won't take long since my B permit expired yestreday and I'm getting nervous.
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Fingers crossed NB! Hope it is completed soon and you can relax.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

one of the condition mentioned in Kanton Aargau Website is:

"weder öffentlichrechtliche noch privatrechtliche Schulden."


Has anyone experience (accepted/rejected) early c Permit while having private credit / loan (car, personal) from bank?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

I guess it means debt like income tax or any dues to government. I don't think home or car loan should be a problem, though I am eager to hear from other fellow members..

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one of the condition mentioned in Kanton Aargau Website is:

"weder öffentlichrechtliche noch privatrechtliche Schulden."


Has anyone experience (accepted/rejected) early c Permit while having private credit / loan (car, personal) from bank?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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one of the condition mentioned in Kanton Aargau Website is:

"weder öffentlichrechtliche noch privatrechtliche Schulden."


Has anyone experience (accepted/rejected) early c Permit while having private credit / loan (car, personal) from bank?
I would say the loan(s) don't count as schuld, else they would have certainly asked for all bank statement too for Benötigte Unterlagen
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one of the condition mentioned in Kanton Aargau Website is:

"weder öffentlichrechtliche noch privatrechtliche Schulden."
In general it means you are a good citizen and pay your bills on time.

Privatrechtliche Schulden in this context means unpaid and overdue debts, specially those lodged in the "Betreibungsregister".
Öffentlichrechtliche Schulden: Means overdue fines or tax.

It does not mean bank loans, credit card debt, mortgages, or non paid but not due tax within the legal limits.

See also the Kanton Aargau Merkblatt:
https://www.ag.ch/media/kanton_aarga...Stand_2011.pdf
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