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Old 25.04.2019, 20:37
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It was never a question of a legal challenge. We're talking about asking the commune to forward a well argued letter to the cantonal authorities.
Sorry, I don't think any argument is going to work, no matter how politely you word it. The cantonal website is quite clear it must be a B permit.

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Valid for an undetermined period, it allows mobility and family reunification. A change of canton is subject to prior authorisation. It can be obtained after an uninterrupted period of 10 years in Switzerland or after 5 years of holding a B permit if certain requirements are fulfilled (e.g. good integration).
https://www.vs.ch/web/integration/pe...blissement-/-c

Whether the original permit "should" have been a B in your opinion is irrelevant. It was an L, for two years. I think you'll have to wait.
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Sorry, I don't think any argument is going to work, no matter how politely you word it. The cantonal website is quite clear it must be a B permit.



https://www.vs.ch/web/integration/pe...blissement-/-c

Whether the original permit "should" have been a B in your opinion is irrelevant. It was an L, for two years. I think you'll have to wait.

The English translation is quite different from the French and German versions in regard to the B permit. Doesn't matter, it's a website. Let's refer to the guidelines and laws published by both federal and cantonal governments.



Personally, I know someone in a canton not far from that in your profile, who argued and received a C permit. The fact is, some cantons need the immigrant more than the immigrant needs the canton and there is no shortage of profitable work elsewhere even if one needs to be digested again by the quota system. So I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from arguing his case. You are correct to guard against any unrealistic optimism.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

My B permit expires in Feb 2020, is it possible to go ahead and send an application now for a C permit and successfully receive one?

Has anyone applied in advance well before the permit expires and received it?

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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My B permit expires in Feb 2020, is it possible to go ahead and send an application now for a C permit and successfully receive one?

Has anyone applied in advance well before the permit expires and received it?

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Yes, for sure. Been there done that. As long as you fit the criteria at the time of C application, no problems
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Yes, for sure. Been there done that. As long as you fit the criteria at the time of C application, no problems
I finally have all the papers ready including my language certificate.

Since my permit expires in Feb 2020, it is too early to renew. What is the process to request a C permit early? Just go to the kreisburo and ask for a permit upgrade and get the permit renewal form or some other way?

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Old 02.08.2019, 12:04
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I finally have all the papers ready including my language certificate.

Since my permit expires in Feb 2020, it is too early to renew. What is the process to request a C permit early? Just go to the kreisburo and ask for a permit upgrade and get the permit renewal form or some other way?

Thanks!
Have you actually been here for a full 5 years (sorry, haven't read all your posts). If the 5 years only comes in Feb, then I think you need to wait until closer to that time to apply. Otherwise you've only been here 4.5 years so it's a stretch to claim you want a C permit now.

My renewal paperwork came in the mail in March for renewal in May and I applied for the C at that time. All I did was write on the form (in German, of course) that I was requesting a C permit and include the paperwork requested.
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Have you actually been here for a full 5 years (sorry, haven't read all your posts). If the 5 years only comes in Feb, then I think you need to wait until closer to that time to apply. Otherwise you've only been here 4.5 years so it's a stretch to claim you want a C permit now.

My renewal paperwork came in the mail in March for renewal in May and I applied for the C at that time. All I did was write on the form (in German, of course) that I was requesting a C permit and include the paperwork requested.
Actually, i'm at 6 years now So that is why i would like to start the process now
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Just go to the kreisburo and ask for a permit upgrade and get the permit renewal form or some other way?
You can also send all the documents with a cover letter (saying that you'd like to apply for an early C permit under article such and such) to Migrationsamt by registered mail.
They'll contact the Kreisburo and the Kreisburo will call you to come in and pay the fee / fill out the form for requesting a new permit.

Just going to the Kreisburo might also work so I'd try that first and only write directly to Migrationsamt if you happen to get an incompetent clerk at the Kreisburo saying that you must wait till the end of your current permit (you don't and it's not their call).
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Old 02.08.2019, 13:07
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Actually, i'm at 6 years now So that is why i would like to start the process now
Then go for it now. So long as you have all the documents they want, it should be straightforward and there's no need to wait until the current permit expires.
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Then go for it now. So long as you have all the documents they want, it should be straightforward and there's no need to wait until the current permit expires.
Went to the kreisburo and the clerk was very helpful, submitted all papers along with the Niederlassungsbewilligung application form and paid the 122CHF. Now it is on it's way!

Anyone care to share the processing time it took to receive their permit after submission? I hear anything from 1-2 weeks to 2-3 months.

Thanks!
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hello everyone,

I thought this might be the right forum to post my question related to C permits as well.
So, I’m a US citizen and moved to Switzerland in 2012 to get my Master’s. During my studies, I also did an internship and thesis at a company. I was forced to move to an Stagiaire L-permit in 2015 in order to be able to get a work permit to work under a full-time temp contract while I was still technically a student. But other than that 1 year, I was on a B permit for 3 years during my studies registered in Zurich and currently at 3 years as a full time employee, registered in Basel.

Will this make me eligible for a C permit or do I need to wait until 2021 to get the full 5 years under full time employment?

I'm not sure about the canton change as well...will this affect the C permit eligibility?

2012: B permit (student)
2013: B permit (student)
2014: B permit (student + internship/thesis)
2015: L permit (Stagiaire permit - student + employed full time)
2016: B permit (employed full time)
2017: B permit (employed full time)
2018: B permit (employed full time)
2019: B permit (employed full time)

Thanks for the help!
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Went to the kreisburo and the clerk was very helpful, submitted all papers along with the Niederlassungsbewilligung application form and paid the 122CHF. Now it is on it's way!

Anyone care to share the processing time it took to receive their permit after submission? I hear anything from 1-2 weeks to 2-3 months.

Thanks!
Just an update here. It took only 7 days from the day i submitted all my papers at the kreisburo to receive my C permit in the mail. That's great! I now feel much more accepted and integrated into this country
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Old 15.08.2019, 14:34
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Hello everyone,

I thought this might be the right forum to post my question related to C permits as well.
So, I’m a US citizen and moved to Switzerland in 2012 to get my Master’s. During my studies, I also did an internship and thesis at a company. I was forced to move to an Stagiaire L-permit in 2015 in order to be able to get a work permit to work under a full-time temp contract while I was still technically a student. But other than that 1 year, I was on a B permit for 3 years during my studies registered in Zurich and currently at 3 years as a full time employee, registered in Basel.

Will this make me eligible for a C permit or do I need to wait until 2021 to get the full 5 years under full time employment?

I'm not sure about the canton change as well...will this affect the C permit eligibility?

2012: B permit (student)
2013: B permit (student)
2014: B permit (student + internship/thesis)
2015: L permit (Stagiaire permit - student + employed full time)
2016: B permit (employed full time)
2017: B permit (employed full time)
2018: B permit (employed full time)
2019: B permit (employed full time)

Thanks for the help!
Ask your Kreisburo. From what I've read here on EF you need at least 2 years of working B after the L in order for the L to "count". You've got that so my wild advice is to go ahead and apply assuming you meet all the requirements. Worst-case you stay on a B permit.

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Just an update here. It took only 7 days from the day i submitted all my papers at the kreisburo to receive my C permit in the mail. That's great! I now feel much more accepted and integrated into this country
That's fast! Congratulations!
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

congratulations!!!
may I ask, if you are EU citizen, or UK/US?

just because I have a similar story, so I am trying to estimate, what to expect
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi All,
I have few questions regarding C permit in Bern canton -

I had 2 Ls and 3 Bs and 2 weeks back I applied for an early C permit along with the application for extending my B permit. I meet all the requirements of C permit so I prepared the required documents along with a recommendation letter from my company for C permit (recommendation letter is not part of required documentation but company gave a voluntary letter).

My question is that if anyone in Bern canton in similar situation as mine - 2Ls and 3Bs applied for C permit. What is the usual timeline?

I have seen few posts mentioning that .. after cantonal approval the federal approval took few months. How can I see if canton has approved my C permit?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Applying with every renewal is no problem, you can keep applying every year with your annual permit renewal if you are eligible, and if you are, then they should have charged extra few francs for C Permit application. That is the first hint.

Second hint that they are considering your application is when they send you a letter asking for all the additional documents(Language certificate, betreibungsregister, etc) to be submitted within 30 days from receipt of this letter. If you have already submitted these documents, then within 2 months you should receive you new plastic C'Permit card.

Good luck and be patient!
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Applying with every renewal is no problem, you can keep applying every year with your annual permit renewal if you are eligible, and if you are, then they should have charged extra few francs for C Permit application. That is the first hint.



Second hint that they are considering your application is when they send you a letter asking for all the additional documents(Language certificate, betreibungsregister, etc) to be submitted within 30 days from receipt of this letter. If you have already submitted these documents, then within 2 months you should receive you new plastic C'Permit card.


Good luck and be patient!
The first hint doesnt sound good for me as they did not charge any money while submitting my B permit extension nor for C permit application. Its been 2 weeks and havent received any letter asking for payment.

For second hint - They did not send any letter asking me to submit the required documents. Rather I submitted all my documents, B2 German, Betreibungsregister, straffregister, personal letter mentioning how me and my family feel integrated. I took all the documents along with my B permit application and I filled C permit application in Gemeinde and submitted all the documents at once.

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The first hint doesnt sound good for me as they did not charge any money while submitting my B permit extension nor for C permit application. Its been 2 weeks and havent received any letter asking for payment.
I find that unusual, as they charge a fee for permit renewal. Not sure if Bern has any different procedure.

You may make them a short visit to ask them thet status of your permit renewal and check if they are considering your request for a C this year.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

They charge for B permit renewal but only when I get the cards and not while submitting the application. Usually I get a letter from Gemeinde saying the cards have come and I can come and collect after paying the fees.
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I have seen few posts mentioning that .. after cantonal approval the federal approval took few months. How can I see if canton has approved my C permit?
You can call Bern Migrationsdienst and ask, citing your ZEMIS or cantonal reference number (they're on the back of your permit, ZEMIS consists of some digits and the cantonal number will look like BENNNNNNN where N are also digits.)

Just for your information, the official applicant guidelines for an early C permit in Bern still require one to have had a B permit for 5 years before applying:
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They're recent (Jul 2019) so it might be the case that Bern still doesn't count L permits towards the early C permit.
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