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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi all! I am in a similar situation as you guys. I am already over 6 years in Switzerland (first L permit later B). I should satisfy all (or most) of the conditions of VINTA. However I was a year ago unemployed for a couple of months and got a support from the social security fund. Could you please give me any advice whether this disqualifies me from VINTA. Is there a way how to mitigate this or do I have to wait another 4 years to qualify again? Thanks a lot for any thoughts!
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Hi all! I am in a similar situation as you guys. I am already over 6 years in Switzerland (first L permit later B). I should satisfy all (or most) of the conditions of VINTA. However I was a year ago unemployed for a couple of months and got a support from the social security fund. Could you please give me any advice whether this disqualifies me from VINTA. Is there a way how to mitigate this or do I have to wait another 4 years to qualify again?
I presume you received unemployment benefits. If so, this does not necessarily disqualify you. I got my early C permit (Art. 62 VZAE) despite a 5-month unemployment period including some 2 months on benefits. Your mileage may vary, depending on the canton & circumstances.

As opposed to unemployment benefits, social help would be a completely different story.
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I presume you received unemployment benefits. If so, this does not necessarily disqualify you. I got my early C permit (Art. 62 VZAE) despite a 5-month unemployment period including some 2 months on benefits. Your mileage may vary, depending on the canton & circumstances.

As opposed to unemployment benefits, social help would be a completely different story.
Yes I received a couple of months of unemployment benefits. I though that this belongs also under social help. (Person takes money of Swiss and also there can come out doubts that the person is unable to find a stable decent long term job here. What can be worse?) As far as I understand you received your C permit due to a different law. (VINTA is this: http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...995/index.html). Or am I wrong?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

monika47,

Neither are laws, they are regulations, VIntA is the regulation relevant for non-EU citizens wishing to obtain the C permit after 5 years as it describes the requirement in details. Each application is reviewed on case-by-case basis.

You are new to the forum. Take the time to research the relevant topics/threads. It has been mentioned numerous times that unemployment benefits are insurance payments (you and your employers have been paying the premiums) and not social assistance. It does not help your application because one of the requirements is to be continuously employed, but with just a couple of months without a job you do have good chances I think - it just depends on how well you meet the rest of the requirements. In Zurich you can show up at the Migrationsamt and get pretty good advice - you just need to know which questions to ask. Maybe that's an option where you live?
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As far as I understand you received your C permit due to a different law.
We actually mean the same thing.

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one of the requirements is to be continuously employed
Maybe in Zürich, definitely not everywhere.
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Old 18.08.2014, 18:11
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

monika47, for you.

http://www.sz.ch/documents/Merkblatt...ewilligung.pdf

I've not read through this file (have to cook), but it looks like it contains a list of what you need to submit.

Best of luck!
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Here is FOM's official definition of requirements for early C permit.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/dam...ionsgrad-f.pdf

With regard to employment, it only requires that the applicant is employed (nowhere is mentioned "5-years continuously"), or can provide an attestation of financial independence.

But these are federal requirement. Cantons can introduce more strict ones.
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Here is FOM's official definition of requirements for early C permit.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/dam...ionsgrad-f.pdf

With regard to employment, it only requires that the applicant is employed (nowhere is mentioned "5-years continuously"), or can provide an attestation of financial independence.

But these are federal requirement. Cantons can introduce more strict ones.
This is the formula used in ZH for this item:

Nachweis, dass der Gesuchsteller in den letzten fünf Jahren in der Schweiz durchgehend einer Erwerbstätigkeit nachgegangen ist.
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Nachweis, dass der Gesuchsteller in den letzten fünf Jahren in der Schweiz durchgehend einer Erwerbstätigkeit nachgegangen ist.
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"Proof that the applicant is continuously pursued in the last five years in Switzerland employment."
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi all, thank all of you for the valuable info! I have a bit better idea and I wll try my luck soon. Don't you know by any chance if there are any quotas for C permits similarly as they are quotas for Bs? (And if yes, when the period starts?) P.S.: I live in Canton Schwyz and not ZH.
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Hi all, thank all of you for the valuable info! I have a bit better idea and I wll try my luck soon. Don't you know by any chance if there are any quotas for C permits similarly as they are quotas for Bs? (And if yes, when the period starts?) P.S.: I live in Canton Schwyz and not ZH.
There is no quota for C permit.

But please also note that getting a C permit (especially an early one based on good integration) is not a guaranteed or automatic right even if you appear to satisfy all the requirements.

Early C permit application will be examined in two phases. First the canton will make its own decision (this decision is "appealable"), and then upon the recommendation of the canton, FOM makes the final approbation.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Yeah, yeah. I know that there is no quarantee. I just want to increase my chances and thus I am asking experienced guys here. Thanks again!
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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is VINTA only for B-permit holders or are carte de legitimation holders also eligible?
Indeed must be a B permit at first.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

The continuous 5 years work rule applies in Vaud as well. One of my friends was denied a C permit because she did not work continuously for 5 years even if she stayed in Switzerland for around 7 years. And this reason was clearly written in the rejection letter that they got from the canton office. For her, the C permit application fee was also refunded.

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Maybe in Zürich, definitely not everywhere.
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The continuous 5 years work rule applies in Vaud as well. One of my friends was denied a C permit because she did not work continuously for 5 years even if she stayed in Switzerland for around 7 years. And this reason was clearly written in the rejection letter that they got from the canton office. For her, the C permit application fee was also refunded.
Does this mean that you have to be employed for 12*5=60 months continuously?
For example, if in the 3rd year someone changed his job. He could have started the new job immediately after resigning from the old one. But he wanted a 1-month break so he deliberately resigned one month before the starting of new job. Does this mean that he loses the eligibility for C permit due to this 1-month voluntary break? That is crazily unreasonable.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Logically this case should not be a problem... May be the canton office can answer you better. The friend I am talking about started her job a few years after she arrived in Suisse. So she had like 4 years of continuous work experience and hence her C permit application was not accepted.

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Does this mean that you have to be employed for 12*5=60 months continuously?
For example, if in the 3rd year someone changed his job. He could have started the new job immediately after resigning from the old one. But he wanted a 1-month break so he deliberately resigned one month before the starting of new job. Does this mean that he loses the eligibility for C permit due to this 1-month voluntary break? That is crazily unreasonable.
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Early C Permit for non-EU

Hi

i am looking for failure stories of Early-C applications from non-(EU/Canada/US)

In general what is the success rate assuming the integration levels (participation in social , language skills , 5 yr B employment/tax/no crime etc etc) are all good.

Just want to get it right the first time

Canton - BS

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Re: Early C Permit for non-EU

American. 1st year was a one-year B permit. Next one was a two -year B permit. Next one was another two-year B permit. Fourth one was a C. When we applied for the permits, I submitted my French Dalf B2 certificate. My husband submitted his paystubs.

It took about 4 weeks for the C permits to arrive. Is this the kind of info you were looking for? BTW, the transition from B to C was in May, 2014.
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American. 1st year was a one-year B permit. Next one was a two -year B permit. Next one was another two-year B permit. Fourth one was a C. When we applied for the permits, I submitted my French Dalf B2 certificate. My husband submitted his paystubs.

It took about 4 weeks for the C permits to arrive. Is this the kind of info you were looking for? BTW, the transition from B to C was in May, 2014.
Thx. I think US/Canada get a C after a 5 yr B automatically
I was more seeking experiences of non-(EU/US/Canada) applicants - How do they fare in general assuming all criteria of integration are met satisfactorily ..
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Whats the big deal about wanting a C ?
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