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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Thanks, do you have a link on this AFAIK law?
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Thanks, do you have a link on this AFAIK law?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

An update on getting earlier C permit for non-EU.

I just found the document from Canton Zurich immigration.
http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...ewilligung.pdf

It looks like a new edition. The previous one was slightly different and didn't contain one important point.

The p. 5.1 says: (free translate from German)

Short-term permits i.e. "L" will be accepted if the staying by L permit was based on an unlimited contract. It's not accepted when it was based on a limited contract.

This paragraph was absent in the previous edition.

So I think it's a good change for those who started with an unlimited contract but got an L permit at the beginning then was switched to B. As it's a praxis that I think is used in the canton Zurich there are no restrictions anymore for those who stayed on L permit for first two years.

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi guys!

I have used a help of an attorney from Zurich (http://streiff-rechtsanwalt.ch) and applied for early C permit with VintA law (in conservative Schwyz). The process was super easy: no questions, no checks, month after my submission I got a letter that I am getting C!
On Friday I picked it up. There is no catch. It is a real C permit!
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi,

I got a C permit in 2013. My wife is in Switzerland since a bit more than 3 years now. Can we get a C for her. We are non-eu.
Anyone here got a C for his wife within less than 5 years, when you already have a C.
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Hi guys!

I have used a help of an attorney from Zurich (http://streiff-rechtsanwalt.ch) and applied for early C permit with VintA law (in conservative Schwyz). The process was super easy: no questions, no checks, month after my submission I got a letter that I am getting C!
On Friday I picked it up. There is no catch. It is a real C permit!

Hi Monika,
Can you please clarify if you are EU or Non EU? If Non EU (which country) beacuse some of non EU countries have special staus when it comes to granting early C permit.it also helps to know when did you arrive on Switzerland and on what permit you were? I am sure you would be on B permit but was it restricted or unrestricted. A restricted B is useless as i read in this thread that the years spent in Switzerland on a restricted B permit (tied to the employer) dont count for an early C permit for Non EU.

when you dont fall into the category (non EU restricted B), then it is quiet straight forward to obtain a C permit after 5 years on B (atleast in Zurich)as long as you have paid taxes, prove language efficiency. in such cases, there is no need for a lawyer in my opinion.


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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Update: we got C permits after 2 years staying on L + 3.5 years on B. So I can confirm that it works in canton Zurich.

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An update on getting earlier C permit for non-EU.

I just found the document from Canton Zurich immigration.
http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...ewilligung.pdf

It looks like a new edition. The previous one was slightly different and didn't contain one important point.

The p. 5.1 says: (free translate from German)

Short-term permits i.e. "L" will be accepted if the staying by L permit was based on an unlimited contract. It's not accepted when it was based on a limited contract.

This paragraph was absent in the previous edition.

So I think it's a good change for those who started with an unlimited contract but got an L permit at the beginning then was switched to B. As it's a praxis that I think is used in the canton Zurich there are no restrictions anymore for those who stayed on L permit for first two years.
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Update: we got C permits after 2 years staying on L + 3.5 years on B. So I can confirm that it works in canton Zurich.
Congratulations!!!

Does anyone know if being on RAV for one month during last five years is recognized as "interruption" for VINTA?
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Congratulations!!!

Does anyone know if being on RAV for one month during last five years is recognized as "interruption" for VINTA?
As far as i know, the answer is no. being on RAV just means you have made a claim against unemployment insurance which you paid when you were working. the vinta law says that you should not be on social help and RAV is not social help.

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

In ZH they say:
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Nachweis, dass der Gesuchsteller in den letzten fünf Jahren in der Schweiz durchgehend einer Erwerbstätigkeit nachgegangen ist.
http://www.ma.zh.ch/internet/sicherh...ewilligung.pdf

Luzern:
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- Lohnabrechnungen der letzten 12 Monate (inkl. 13. Monatslohn bzw. Gratifikation und Feriengeld)
https://migration.lu.ch/-/media/Migr...g.pdf?la=de-CH
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

I also recommend using a lawyer, I did the process myself as non-EU and I had to quote and send them the actual LAW 2 times since they refused without base. Then they demanded that I get a B1 certificate even when I showed them a C1 unrecognized one.
I did the B1 exam and got the permit.

With a lawyer they might not try to come-up with excuses.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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In ZH they say:

Nachweis, dass der Gesuchsteller in den letzten fünf Jahren in der Schweiz durchgehend einer Erwerbstätigkeit nachgegangen ist.

Luzern:

Lohnabrechnungen der letzten 12 Monate (inkl. 13. Monatslohn bzw. Gratifikation und Feriengeld)
Rough translations of the above:
ZH - Proof of 5 years continuous employment in Switzerland
LU - Pay slips for the last 12 months, including any 13th month/bonus

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I also recommend using a lawyer, I did the process myself as non-EU and I had to quote and send them the actual LAW 2 times since they refused without base. Then they demanded that I get a B1 certificate even when I showed them a C1 unrecognized one.
I did the B1 exam and got the permit. ..With a lawyer they might not try to come-up with excuses.
I don't think a lawyer is necessary if you have the proper documentation. Non-EUs don't automatically have a "right" to a C permit. ZH is very strict and very clear on the language certificate. It has to be from one of just three schools. You had a certificate from a different school, so they didn't accept it. A lawyer would have cost you money, but probably would not have gotten around the requirement. You'd still have needed to take the B1 from an approved school.
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Hi,

I got a C permit in 2013. My wife is in Switzerland since a bit more than 3 years now. Can we get a C for her. We are non-eu.
Anyone here got a C for his wife within less than 5 years, when you already have a C.
The answer should be yes. My wife got her C-permit (EU) after 5 years in CH. (Aargau). I moved here about a year after she moved with a 5 year B (first to Zurich Kanton)- so when I got my B I only had 4 years to expiration (on my birthday) - upon renewal I got the C - permit automatically - cause I'm linked to her. Or rather I was..but that's another issue that Aargau related, I don't know the details of their claim.
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The answer should be yes. My wife got her C-permit (EU) after 5 years in CH. (Aargau). I moved here about a year after she moved with a 5 year B (first to Zurich Kanton)- so when I got my B I only had 4 years to expiration (on my birthday) - upon renewal I got the C - permit automatically - cause I'm linked to her. Or rather I was..but that's another issue that Aargau related, I don't know the details of their claim.
Rules are different when one of the couple is an EU national.
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Good point. Overlooked the non-EU status of the relationship.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi

Im a non-eu, non-american, non-canadian, etc...I applied for a C permit during my last renewal about 2 weeks ago. I have been in Zurich with a permanent contract the last 5 years.

Today I received one of those yellow slips in the post to pick up something coming from a government office. Unfortunately I cannot pick it up until next week and that is driving me absolutely nuts

Is this the letter where they ask for all the docs: criminal record, language, etc???

Or have they just denied my request and thats my new B permit arriving ? :S

My permit does not expire until july 28, so this would make it the earliest and quickest they have ever sent it

any thoughts???
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Here is my family's very recent experience, for those interested.

We entered CH as non-EU on a 3-year B (renewed yearly, but valid for the duration of my contract, which was for 3 years). I (non-EU, non-US, etc) was the permit holder, with my husband and child as dependents. My contract got switched to permanent after two years, still on a B.

After 5 years we applied for early C based on good integration. We are in BS. The documents required were criminal records from Bern, proof of employment and current school grades as proof of schooling for our daughter, as well as our language certificates (in our case, B1 telc and B2 Goethe for the adults). Within two weeks of application, we got our brand new C permits.

If you think you might be eligible, do apply. The worst that can happen is that you retain your B permits, and if it works, you just don't have to worry about this permit thing in the future.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Anyone (non-EU, U.S., etc.) with experience in applying for c permit (via Vinta) in canton Zug?

I heard it is simpler (e.g. Only A2 is required) than in Zurich, and I therefore consider relocating to Zug in order to apply for a C permit right after....
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

PS - When applying for an early C permit as non-EU, would it matter that my wife and children do not live in CH?
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PS - When applying for an early C permit as non-EU, would it matter that my wife and children do not live in CH?
If they wanted a C-permit then yes, it would matter because they're not residents. If you apply on your own, I suppose it's possible someone could argue your center of life is not here since your spouse and child live elsewhere, but that seems unlikely imo.

As for the language requirements, you already know ZH's strict rules. Whether it's worth it to move to Zug is up to you. Keep in mind the C-permit is not guaranteed for all non-EUs so even if you move and get the less strict language requirements, that doesn't guarantee it will be easier overall.
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