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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

ok now done. can somebody please reply to my queries as it is important for us to time our applications.

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Old 10.11.2015, 21:58
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Don't think you could ask for a B permit while the C is being processed, but maybe you could ask for a document to say your application is being processed so you could show that if needed.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Thanks Medea.

does anybody here in the forum have any answers to my other question? about the time it takes to obtain a C permit in Kanton Zurich for Non EU?

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Old 11.11.2015, 03:47
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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Thanks Medea.

does anybody here in the forum have any answers to my other question? about the time it takes to obtain a C permit in Kanton Zurich for Non EU?

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I think the answer is - it varies. Sorry, but as the C permit means you're a permanent resident and harder to kick out in the long run, it goes through more checks. Your earlier wording of "a few weeks" leads me to believe you're hoping for something like a 2 week turnaround?

Example - I recently received my C permit in Bern as a non-EU married to a Swiss citizen. I don't need a language certificate or have to prove integration. I've lived in the same place for the past 5 years. Even then the permit took several weeks. I can't imagine Zurich would take less time than that, given the volume of applications they receive.

I think you have two options. 1) Since you say the B permit just takes a few weeks, you could do that now and take your trip. You can always apply for the C permit when you return. 2) Apply for the C permit now, but request documentation that says your permit is in process and that you're allowed back into the country.

I've mentioned it before but I'll say it again... My C permit did not come through before vacation, so when I returned the B was expired by one day. The new permit had been issued during my absence and the immigration officer at ZRH could see that information in her computer. She still gave us a very hard time and said technically she could send me back to the U.S. if she wanted because I needed the new permit in hand.

Moral of the story, whatever you do be sure you've got back up documentation to minimize hassle upon your return.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Does anyone have a link to the law - in French, as it would apply in Vaud?

I am interested in the possibility of both C permit and Swiss Nationality for the following candidate:

Background of the candidate:
Jan 2009 Arrived in Geneva on student permit (non EU citizen from Asia)
April 2011 Applied for marriage permit to "C" permit holder.
April 2011 student visa expired and left Switzerland as a condition to get marriage permit. Marriage permit took 6 months to obtain.
Nov 2011 returned to Switzerland on marriage permit
Dec 2011 Married to "C" permit holder.
Jan 2012 received "B" permit
Feb 2012 until present in continuos employment with large Swiss company
Aug 2015 spouse became a Swiss citizen
Now: Happily married to the new Swiss citizen, working full time, integrated, good French, no criminal record, no debts, all tax returns filed and taxes paid, no debts, Swiss friends.
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Old 11.11.2015, 08:08
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

They'd have to apply separately for regular naturalisation as the marriage doesn't count for facilitated naturalisation.

"I am a foreigner and married to a Swiss citizen. How can I apply for naturalisation?

You must have lived in a stable marriage with your spouse for at least three years, have lived in Switzerland for five years all in all, the last twelve months of which must be without interruption. If you live abroad, you must have lived in a stable marriage for at least six years and must have close connections with Switzerland. Regardless of where you live, you must be integrated in the Swiss way of life at least by analogy, comply with the Swiss rule of law, and you must not endanger Switzerland's internal or external security.

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The Swiss spouse must have been of Swiss citizenship before marriage."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/content/sem...06.html#a_0006

Depending on what age they were when a student here they may be able to apply a bit earlier for naturalisation.

"How can I apply for naturalisation?

You can apply for naturalisation if you have lived in Switzerland for at least twelve years. The time between the completion of the 10th and 20th years of age is counted double for this purpose. You will have to satisfy the following requirements for naturalisation: you must be socially and culturally integrated in Switzerland, comply with the Swiss rule of law, and you must not endanger Switzerland's internal or external security."

Under the new law they can apply after 10 years and the time between the ages of 8 and 18 count double. It's due to come into force late 2016/early 2017.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Ask for a form confirming that you have submitted a permit application, and use that form to ask for a return visa to make sure you do not run into any problems when coming back to Switzerland.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Apply for a regular B permit, and once you have it, write a letter to Migrationsamt ZH for a C permit. Then they will send you a list of documents which you must provide
It is possible, and they do respond to your letter quickly, but the C permit verification process can take upto 2 months or more. Of-course you will need to pay for the issue of new permits again, once approved, but if you want to not interrupt your travel plans, this is the best way
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

I am a non-EU (Canadian) in Canton Zurich.

1) I worked as a postdoc (Permit B) for 4 years.
2) Then found a job with unlimited work contract but received an L permit. I am now at the end of the second year of the L permit.

According to the Canton immigration office, the permit L counts towards VINTA for a C permit given that I have had an unlimited work contract from the beginning.


Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen werden angerechnet, wenn der Aufenthalt von Beginn weg auf Dauer ausgerichtet war, das heisst ein unbefristeter Arbeitsvertrag vorlag.

I am wondering if I can apply for a C permit through an early integration now that my L permit is expiring (L to C permit?!) or that I am only allowed to apply after at least being on a B permit for one year after these two years of L
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

As the chances of getting a certain type of permit depend a lot on where you live, why not ask the Migrationsamt?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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[SIZE=2]I am a non-EU (Canadian) in Canton Zurich...I am wondering if I can apply for a C permit through an early integration now that my L permit is expiring (L to C permit?!)..
The graphic on page 4 of this document from the Zurich Migrationsamt seems to imply one cannot go directly from L to C.

Keep in mind - C permits are not guaranteed, and the applications take a while to process. What permit will you have while waiting for the C application to process? What will you do if it is denied? IMO your best/safest bet is to just renew your existing permit (hopefully getting a B this time) and once you have the B in hand start the application for the C.

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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I am a non-EU (Canadian) in Canton Zurich.

1) I worked as a postdoc (Permit B) for 4 years.
2) Then found a job with unlimited work contract but received an L permit. I am now at the end of the second year of the L permit.

According to the Canton immigration office, the permit L counts towards VINTA for a C permit given that I have had an unlimited work contract from the beginning.


Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen werden angerechnet, wenn der Aufenthalt von Beginn weg auf Dauer ausgerichtet war, das heisst ein unbefristeter Arbeitsvertrag vorlag.

I am wondering if I can apply for a C permit through an early integration now that my L permit is expiring (L to C permit?!) or that I am only allowed to apply after at least being on a B permit for one year after these two years of L
?
You need to have at least 5 years on a B permit, any other permit before that doesn't count.

It's what they have done with the citizenship as well, you can stay for 30 years on B permit you will not be able to apply, you will need minimum 5 years or so on C permit
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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You need to have at least 5 years on a B permit, any other permit before that doesn't count.

It's what they have done with the citizenship as well, you can stay for 30 years on B permit you will not be able to apply, you will need minimum 5 years or so on C permit
NOT AT ALL TRUE in Canton Zurich! According to the Canton immigration office, the permit L counts towards VINTA for a C permit WHEN there has been an unlimited work contract from the beginning when L permit was given.

Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen werden angerechnet, wenn der Aufenthalt von Beginn weg auf Dauer ausgerichtet war, das heisst ein unbefristeter Arbeitsvertrag vorlag.

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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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The graphic on page 4 of this document from the Zurich Migrationsamt seems to imply one cannot go directly from L to C.

Keep in mind - C permits are not guaranteed, and the applications take a while to process. What permit will you have while waiting for the C application to process? What will you do if it is denied? IMO your best/safest bet is to just renew your existing permit (hopefully getting a B this time) and once you have the B in hand start the application for the C.

And this is good advice too:
Thanks for the link! I will hopefully get a B after two years being on L.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

May be, but you need to get it first and will see then what rules apply. It is not a right to get a C, you are given one
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NOT AT ALL TRUE in Canton Zurich! According to the Canton immigration office, the permit L counts towards VINTA for a C permit WHEN there has been an unlimited work contract from the beginning when L permit was given.

Kurzaufenthaltsbewilligungen werden angerechnet, wenn der Aufenthalt von Beginn weg auf Dauer ausgerichtet war, das heisst ein unbefristeter Arbeitsvertrag vorlag.

If you know it all why do you ask it in the first place?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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If you know it all why do you ask it in the first place?
Please read my original question first, before you answer. I guess I don't need to re-quote it here.
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... you will need minimum 5 years or so on C permit
Are you sure? Can't one apply after 12 years on a 'B' ?
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Are you sure? Can't one apply after 12 years on a 'B' ?
You can at the moment but when the new rules come into force next year ( or the year after) you will need a C permit to be eligible to apply for citizenship but only 10 years minimum residence.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi,
In BS and BL do we need A2 or B1. And for language certificate are there any specific school recommended by kanton?

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Here is my family's very recent experience, for those interested.

We entered CH as non-EU on a 3-year B (renewed yearly, but valid for the duration of my contract, which was for 3 years). I (non-EU, non-US, etc) was the permit holder, with my husband and child as dependents. My contract got switched to permanent after two years, still on a B.

After 5 years we applied for early C based on good integration. We are in BS. The documents required were criminal records from Bern, proof of employment and current school grades as proof of schooling for our daughter, as well as our language certificates (in our case, B1 telc and B2 Goethe for the adults). Within two weeks of application, we got our brand new C permits.

If you think you might be eligible, do apply. The worst that can happen is that you retain your B permits, and if it works, you just don't have to worry about this permit thing in the future.
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