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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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Hi,
In BS and BL do we need A2 or B1.

BS:
http://www.bdm.bs.ch/Wohnen/Einreise...tion3_section7

BL, click as appropriate if you are EU or non-EU:
https://www.baselland.ch/Niederlassung.317546.0.html


The info you need is easily found on the cantonal websites, by the way.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

My husband had B permit for 5 years ( not in same canton).
Then he has had Ci permit for last 3 years.
Is he eligible to apply for the C permit based on the initial 5 years of B or does he have to be currently holding a B permit ?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi All,

I will have my 5th year on an open contract ending in few month, so may qualify for early C through VINTA. All this time I have been a resident of canton Zurich, but wondering what happens if I change employer and change job to open contract but in other canton without changing ZH residence. Would it affect early C permit conditions in any way?
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Hi All,

I will have my 5th year on an open contract ending in few month, so may qualify for early C through VINTA. All this time I have been a resident of canton Zurich, but wondering what happens if I change employer and change job to open contract but in other canton without changing ZH residence. Would it affect early C permit conditions in any way?
What B permit are you on? Open or closed? If closed, it's tied to your employer and usually you have to live in the same canton as your workplace is based. So if you move cantons for work you may also need to move house and that of course would reset any residency requirements.

If it's an open B, not tied to your employer, then it shouldn't make any difference as far as I know.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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What B permit are you on? Open or closed? If closed, it's tied to your employer and usually you have to live in the same canton as your workplace is based. So if you move cantons for work you may also need to move house and that of course would reset any residency requirements.

If it's an open B, not tied to your employer, then it shouldn't make any difference as far as I know.
Thanks - that's really good to know. My permit is not explicitly tied to employer, i.e. it's on an open contract from the beginning, not a project one, etc. But it's not officially "open" for a job change either as far as I know. The company which made an offer is going to make a request to the immigration office, where it should be confirmed. If the move to the canton nearby is mandatory and early C permit won't be possible then it makes a choice much harder ...
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

If your employer is shown on the back of your permit, it's a tied B. If it isn't it's an open B.

If it is a tied B, you could ask to keep living in Zurich even with the new job, but both cantons have to agree to this I believe.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

There's nothing on the back of the permit etc. since it's not a project based permit tied to employer. But AFAIK job change is still a subject to authorisation...confusing.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

I believe being granted the early C permit is not enforceable by a law. The officer can decide individually case by case. In my case I received early C after 7.5 years (eligible after 10, 3 years on L, 4.5 on B). In this time I moved out from ZH to a different canton (being on B, working in ZH). I changed jobs several times. I was even unemployed for few months and all this didn't matter to the officer.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi All,

I have a question about early C permit. Can you apply for it only in the end of your current year in CH, i.e. when you typically apply for your next B permit, or can you do it anytime in the middle of the year whenever you want?

Thanks.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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Hi All,

I have a question about early C permit. Can you apply for it only in the end of your current year in CH, i.e. when you typically apply for your next B permit, or can you do it anytime in the middle of the year whenever you want?

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The C permit can be applied for at any time, so long as the residency period requirement has been met.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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If your employer is shown on the back of your permit, it's a tied B. If it isn't it's an open B.
Wow, this is the first time I've seen this.

Dear MF, is this a guaranteed way of determining what kind of B permit (open or restricted) one has?
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Wow, this is the first time I've seen this.

Dear MF, is this a guaranteed way of determining what kind of B permit (open or restricted) one has?
No. I have tied B permit for the 4th year now which has nothing about the employer on the permit card itself, but is actually tied to the employer as is detailed in the approval letter from AWA (the labor market authority of Canton Zurich) to my employer. You'd need to ask the employer or your respective labor authority to see that letter, it is not sent to the employee by default.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

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No. I have tied B permit for the 4th year now which has nothing about the employer on the permit card itself, but is actually tied to the employer as is detailed in the approval letter from AWA (the labor market authority of Canton Zurich) to my employer. You'd need to ask the employer or your respective labor authority to see that letter, it is not sent to the employee by default.
Thanks NB, I was under the same impression. Do you happen to remember how the condition was phrased in the AWA letter, e.g. was there an explicit sentence that says something like "This person may only work at company ABC"?
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Old 27.04.2016, 17:33
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

So it's not mentioned in the letter sent to the employee? I thought it was either on the back of the permit or in the letter telling you the permit was approved.
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Thanks NB, I was under the same impression. Do you happen to remember how the condition was phrased in the AWA letter, e.g. was there an explicit sentence that says something like "This person may only work at company ABC"?
It's tricky. Technically, the 'tied' B permit is not legally tied to a company, the way the AWA does it in Zurich is by only granting the permission to work for a limited period of time. The way it is phrased is a nice bold "Die Arbeitsbewilligung is auf weitere 12 Monate befristet." in the letter.

Then, as the work permit lady at my company has explained, if the AWA received the extension request from the current company, they more or less stamp it through, but if I change companies in the meantime, the AWA is free to put them through a full non-EU approval process when they try to apply for renewal.
Note that this is not related to non-EU non-C _residence_ permits only being valid for a year, as she said that usually after 4-5 years on a tied B the AWA grants an unlimited permission to work which "opens" the B (then the letter text changes to "Arbeitsbewilligung gueltig vom: ..." and subsequent renewals no longer have to go through AWA), even though the permit card needs to be reissued every year.

Medea: At least in my company, the AWA letter is never sent to the employee, as it is the employer who negotiates with them for the permission. I had to ask HR to scan a copy for me.
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It's tricky. Technically, the 'tied' B permit is not legally tied to a company, the way the AWA does it in Zurich is by only granting the permission to work for a limited period of time. The way it is phrased is a nice bold "Die Arbeitsbewilligung is auf weitere 12 Monate befristet." in the letter.

....but if I change companies in the meantime, the AWA is free to put them through a full non-EU approval process when they try to apply for renewal.
What if in a similar case new employer (permanent contract) is in another canton (e.g. Zug) while the prospect non-EU employee is on the "befristet" B permit (4 years or so), and is keeping the residence in ZH?
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi,

For a non-EU, non-north-American, is it mandatory to be on an unlimited (meaning permanent) contract when applying for integrated C permit?

What if one is in the middle of a limited contract when the 5-year B permit criteria is satisfied? e.g. 4 year B + 2 year B contract. I read the VINTA document for Zurich and it does not specify if permanent contract is required.

I read all the posts here but did not find the answer. Does anyone have such an experience? Does it differ from canton to canton?

What about moving cantons during the 5 years? Seems no requirements on this either.

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Hi,

For a non-EU, non-north-American, is it mandatory to be on an unlimited (meaning permanent) contract when applying for integrated C permit?

What if one is in the middle of a limited contract when the 5-year B permit criteria is satisfied? e.g. 4 year B + 2 year B contract. I read the VINTA document for Zurich and it does not specify if permanent contract is required.

I read all the posts here but did not find the answer. Does anyone have such an experience? Does it differ from canton to canton?

What about moving cantons during the 5 years? Seems no requirements on this either.

Thanks
You were here a a student right? I don't think student years count do they? And do you speak German?
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You were here a a student right? I don't think student years count do they? And do you speak German?
Hi, yes the first four-ish years were for Phd. So it was student B permit with pay (Aufenthaltsbewilligung B, Ausbildung mit Erwerbstätigkeit). I paid tax, unemployment issurance, pension etc just like a regular employee would. So it is not strictly a student permit. It seems in Zurich, salaried student B permit can count towards the 5 years (the following example did not indicate if she was doing PhD).

http://www.newlyswissed.com/how-to-g...n-eu-citizens/

Regardless if paid student B permit counts, back to the orginal question, does one need to be employed with unlimited contract at the time of early C application?

I speak some German, probably around B1 level. Hoping to improve faster now that I am moving to a german/swiss german speaking WG.
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Re: Early C Permit for a Non-EU National through VINTA

Hi all

since this one is probably the biggest dedicated thread - i'll put my experience here for those who might be interested.

Non - EU, 2 years on L + 3 on B on the same contract. Canton change from Bern to Zurich 2 years ago.

Received today C permit via Vinta. Total processing time (since the last documents submitted) appr. 4 weeks. Everything worked according to the official procedure for Canton Zurich (B1 German, A2 for spouse, unlimited contract, etc)
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