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Civil Partnership / Permit

Hi Guys,

My partner and I would really appreciate some good advice. As background, he is Turkish and I am a male EU citizen. We have been together four years.

We are planning to tie the knot but unfortunately, he has serious issues with his permit.

I phoned my national embassy today and they are very eager to assist me in any way possible but I do not know how to start the process.

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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

I am sure we have had threads on this before:

Here they are:

Moving to CH to live with Same-Sex Partner - COMPLICATED

register partnership [same sex]

Getting a dependent visa for a gay partner

Help me with these French questions - same sex partnership questions

Non Eu Citizen wants to stay with bf in Switzerland
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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

Thanks for these treads - I had read them before but believe that our situation is different.

The major difference is that my partner presently lives here in Zurich but his visa expired (complicated story) and he owes debt for taxation purposes. If this was not the case, I would simply enquire at the immigration office but I am afraid that he could be deported.

Perhaps I just need a lawyer but it has been difficult to find one to take this case on board. I am willing to register my partner as being dependent on myself.

Thoughts?
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The major difference is that my partner presently lives here in Zurich but his visa expired (complicated story) and he owes debt for taxation purposes. If this was not the case, I would simply enquire at the immigration office but I am afraid that he could be deported.
What debt have to do with permit?, i never knew that debt can affect visa, there's so many people holding permits here and having debts of 10's of thousands, though they still get their permits!!

As long as he's not in social assistance, having a job and no criminal record, i assume it's fine.

I have never experienced this but this is what i can see with others anyway

I know you don't upgrade to a C permit or Passport if you're in debt, that's it.
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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

I honestly did not realize that. Apologies for asking but are you certain that having debt is not a factor?

As you can see .. I do not know the correct course of action.

For example, the lady at the Kreis-Bureau told me this morning that contacting the immigration office may not be the best step to take ... she mentioned the possibility of deportation as did a lawyer I spoke to (on a casual basis).

At the Kreis-Bureau this morning, I was trying to register him under my address but the lady mentioned that the Kreis-Bureau may not accept him as a resident in this Kreis if he had debts. Presently, he has no address as his application is pending.

Where do I turn?
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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

Good point: he is not receiving social assistance, he does have a job and does not have a criminal record.
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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

I'm not really certain on the status of your partner, but i know debt isn't a crime which means he doesn't need to get deported, specially that he got a job, deportation means losing the owed debts anyway

Here's a link to the laws regarding permits, you can just have a look at them to try to understand his rights, but in any case i would suggest a lawyer to look into that as laws can be tricky and contradicting.

http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/142_20/index.html

As i said before i have no experience with that, so i cannot be certain about it.
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Perhaps I just need a lawyer but it has been difficult to find one to take this case on board. I am willing to register my partner as being dependent on myself.

Thoughts?
Talk to PINKCROSS - you probably have to make an appointment with somebody somewhere. The website is in English, perhaps partially, surf around.
http://www.pinkcross.ch/index.php?op...mid=35&lang=en


EDIT: I've just found a tel number: 079 666 58 79

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More on the Swiss Pinkcross is here:

Address

Zinggstr. 16
Postfach 7512
3001 Bern
www.pinkcross.ch
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Moël VOLKEN
+41 31 372 33 00
office at pinkcross dot ch
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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

Thanks Guys, this is really helpful advice .. I'll contact them for a consultation and go from there!

Have a great weekend!
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The tax debt may be the reason why he hasn't been asked to leave already . The Swiss authorities do like to get there money.

The important thing for you, and effecting whether PinkCross or similar can help, is the reason the permit was not renewed. Normally they give a specific reason with the right to appeal (at a cost of course).
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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

Thanks for the post.

The reason that the permit was not renewed was solely down to my partner. He simply did not renew it.

At this time, he became estranged from his family due to their views concerning his sexuality. He became severely depressed. At the same time, he left his job as he was being bullied by some fellow work colleagues.

All this is hard to believe but I saw it all with my own eyes. It does not really explain why he did not renew his permit but he did not do it.

He has since picked himself up and dusted himself down. We are ready to move forward and one of the first steps is to legalize his residency.
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Re: Civil Partnership / Permit

Hello,

I just got some question? I am in civil partnership for 4 years with B permit with a swiss national and i am non EU and soon will be be 5 years in zurich,, Do i have the right to get c permit after being lawfully registered partners for almost 5 years? or does it only apply to marriage ( Swiss man and non EU spouse)

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Hello,

I just got some question? I am in civil partnership for 4 years with B permit with a swiss national and i am non EU and soon will be be 5 years in zurich,, Do i have the right to get c permit after being lawfully registered partners for almost 5 years? or does it only apply to marriage ( Swiss man and non EU spouse)

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Several thoughts:
1) It might be possible to apply for a C permit at five years based on successful integration. See FAQ 12 at this link:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/de/home...ation/faq.html

2) As discussed in this thread in January, a B permit holder in a registered partnership with a Swiss citizen can apply for Swiss citizenship at five years under the ordinary naturalization process. As your registered partnership is dissolving, this might prove difficult:

Naturalization for registered partners...
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But then, as you mentioned divorcing in another thread, this may count against you
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Hello,

I just got some question? I am in civil partnership for 4 years with B permit with a swiss national and i am non EU and soon will be be 5 years in zurich,, Do i have the right to get c permit after being lawfully registered partners for almost 5 years? or does it only apply to marriage ( Swiss man and non EU spouse)

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Are you married or in a civil partnership? Here you say civil partnership, in the other thread it's marriage...
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sorry if I messed up marriage and civil partnership. My swiss partner is such a nice person and So I am,but we agreed to be just friends since his feelings are not anymore with me, I cant control that but i love him,...And he asked me if i kinda liked it here and I said yes,, So he wants me to get C or naturalisation since I am also integrated , with politics here , culture and laws..

It is his decision to dissolve the partnership... I just wanna know the answer before i make a move,,

Thanks all for the response
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Permit C

Hello,

I got some questions, last week i received a letter from Migrationsamt about Niederlassungsbewilung C asking for documents to submit. But before this happened me and my partner went to the Gemeinde to renew my residence permit B, after that we asked the one who entertained us about it on how to apply for C and citizenshiip? He answered that I should come over to the Gemeinde to enquire and state that I wanted to apply.

So after that renewing my B permit at the Gemeinde, I got now this letter from Migrationsamt about niderlassungsbewiligung C and the documents I need to send them as what stated in the letter, I responded right away and did all what they said, after sending all the documents , I got a letter from the migration after 3 days stating that my application for niderlassungsbewiligung C is rejected since I'm not yet 5 years here..

I got pissed off because I did not apply for that permit and I got rejected, It also pissed me because it was stated in the rejection letter that they will send a copy of that letter to the Gemeine which I would be have a record that I was rejected from applying and that might affect my future applications..

Can anyone give me an advice? Would be so much of help if you could.

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...it was stated in the rejection letter that they will send a copy of that letter to the Gemeine which I would be have a record that I was rejected from applying and that might affect my future applications...
Was the part I have put into bold actually in your letter or are you just making an assumption? There's nothing wrong with applying for a C permit and it being rejected, unless you were rejected for being a criminal or having outstanding debts. If it was only a matter of 5 yrs or not I don't think they will hold it against you in the future.

BUT - You have previously mentioned dissolving your partnership. Is this still in the works? If so, think carefully about your applications for C and citizenship. I've been through both in the last year. Both my spouse and I had to sign numerous times that we're in a stable relationship, with no intent to separate, and that if the authorities later find out we lied they have up to 8 years to revoke the permit or citizenship.
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Hi,

Thanks for the Reply,, Well regarding my Status, I never wanted to dissolve ours partnership, He wanted,, But now I Knew it was just his bluff . He doesn't want to dissolve our affair and that's is fine for me. I'm happy that we would still be together..
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