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What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

I have just received the marriage application/paperwork from the Lausanne civil state office.

My fiance is French and has a Swiss working permit so his paperwork is quite straightforward.

I am American and here on a tourist visa. Do I actually have access to the following Swiss documents they are requesting?
-attestation de domicile
-titre de sejour.

I'm worried that I won't be able to get married AND get my immigration/visa sorted out before I'm asked to leave the Shengen zone for 3/6 months (whatever the rule is).

I'd love some advice!
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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

Attestation of domicile is a document that says where you live. You and your fiancée should go to the Office of population and ask for the document. I think your fiancée will need a proof of never been sentenced to prison (or something like that, that she has no criminal charges or court charges), the lease of the apartment where you stay maybe her salary and she needs to sign a document for your medical expenses (if any in the future).

Attestation document is 1 day work about the other thing I don't know what it is? Maybe her B Permit?

You will need a document from the US saying that you are single and the document should have an Apostile seal (they asked this for me). I've asked for an Apostile seal in the US once and it took like 2 weeks. Also birth of certificate with the same seal. But as they sent you the marriage papers they already told you what you need to have because it's different with different countries.

I got married with a French national and the whole procedure took around 1 month and a half to complete (from the day we requested the documents, 2 weeks of gathering them) to the wedding day.

Good luck and congratulations. If you think something will change in your relationship by getting married, it will, she will ask and expect you to do more things around the house
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I'd love some advice!
Get married in the US, it's easier.

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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

Thanks you guys!

I'm the girl (American) and am proud of my low standards of cleaniness! ;-)

Thank you for telling me about the Apostile seal. I will ask for it tomorrow in Bern. Will have to find out about the titre de sejour though as I'm not sure if tourists like me have something like.

Funny story...I was born in Hong Kong and they couldn't actually find Hong Kong as a country in their computerized form. So they've put me down as born in China and want me to get my birth certificate from Beijing! (Ack! I feel like the Terminal Man).
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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

I'm worried that I won't be able to get married AND get my immigration/visa sorted out before ...


Will you get a visa/immigration for marryinga french guy in switzerland???

Is that the "location" that matters (ie because you are married "in" switzerland, you have swiss papers?)

Or your sentance is strange and you have "in parrallel" started to obtain any official documentation?


(because:
En revanche, si vous êtes titulaire d’un permis de séjour (permis B) , il n’est pas assuré que votre femme pourra vous rejoindre. L’Office des Etrangers peut donner l’autorisation de séjour à votre femme et à vos enfants comme il peut la refuser. Il ne s’agit pas d’un droit. Les critères de décision sont assez larges et l’Office cantonal des étrangers traite les dossiers au cas par cas. )

Ie: if your french guy has Permis B it's possible you will be refused entry!!!

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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

CorsebouTheReturn, thanks for that note. Indeed, that is what we are trying to do. By the way, is the french part written by you or copied from somewhere?

We could get married in France or America but since ultimately, we'd like to settle in Switzerland for a few years, we thought a marriage here would be most easily "recognized".
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CorsebouTheReturn, thanks for that note. Indeed, that is what we are trying to do. By the way, is the french part written by you or copied from somewhere?

We could get married in France or America but since ultimately, we'd like to settle in Switzerland for a few years, we thought a marriage here would be most easily "recognized".
So your french guy has B permit only?
You won't automatically be allowed to stay.

source:
http://www.isyours.com/f/immigration...artenaire.html
actually read on official websites because that source is poor quality.
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We could get married in France or America but since ultimately, we'd like to settle in Switzerland for a few years, we thought a marriage here would be most easily "recognized".
A US marriage is recognized without problem here (unless you are Swiss, then it's more complicated), especially if you are American.

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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

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So your french guy has B permit only?
You won't automatically be allowed to stay.

source:
http://www.isyours.com/f/immigration...artenaire.html
actually read on official websites because that source is poor quality.
That may be for NON EU nationals, but since he is French I don't think how they can refuse a spouse to permit of stay if they are already married? Isn't there a some convention about it?
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That may be for NON EU nationals, but since he is French I don't think how they can refuse a spouse to permit of stay if they are already married? Isn't there a some convention about it?
Hm i'm french, i'm still a foreigner here in Switzerland

If that guys own a Permis B then the rule is that the husband/wife won't be necessary accepted.

Here some official source, I could not be bothered finding the correct one:
http://www.vd.ch/fr/themes/vie-prive...nts-a-fournir/

http://www.vd.ch/fr/themes/vie-prive...sation-ceaele/



Anyways she IS non eu! So it's even different.

I don't make the Swiss rules...
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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

I know that I *should* be allowed to stay, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if I'm told there are problems. (Beginning with a birthplace doesn't exist in their system?!)

If the Vaud immigration people are not the same as the marriage office in Lausanne, maybe I should save myself the headache and get married across the border.
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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

Hello,

I have been in Switzerland for over 10 years now. When I arrived EU citizens were not accepted as they are today. I got married to a French girl who was living here on a B Permit and I obtained a Permit "Séjour au pré du conjoint". This is given under the conditions of the regroupment of a family (Regroupement familiale) policy but my understanding is also that this is not necessarily automatic.

Good luck.

Incidentally we got married in France and the marriage is recognised here.
Although the Swiss insist the kids take the nationality of the Dad for their permits! - any Swiss feminists about??

regards

John
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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

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This is given under the conditions of the regroupment of a family (Regroupement familiale) policy but my understanding is also that this is not necessarily automatic.
Not that it matters now but it was almost automatic - you'd have had to have been a criminal to have been refused.

I know what you mean though - pre 2004 things were a lot more beaurocratic.
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Old 21.01.2011, 18:37
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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

My word, you have got yourself confused.

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So your french guy has B permit only?
You won't automatically be allowed to stay.

source:
http://www.isyours.com/f/immigration...artenaire.html
actually read on official websites because that source is poor quality.
Oh yes she will. For an EU B permit holder family reunification is a right and has been since 2004. It makes no difference where the spouse comes from - except that an entry visa may be required for non-EU.


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If that guys own a Permis B then the rule is that the husband/wife won't be necessary accepted.

Here some official source, I could not be bothered finding the correct one:
http://www.vd.ch/fr/themes/vie-prive...nts-a-fournir/

http://www.vd.ch/fr/themes/vie-prive...sation-ceaele/
The sources you quote do not say that at all.

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I'm worried that I won't be able to get married AND get my immigration/visa sorted out before ...


Will you get a visa/immigration for marryinga french guy in switzerland???

Is that the "location" that matters (ie because you are married "in" switzerland, you have swiss papers?)

Or your sentance is strange and you have "in parrallel" started to obtain any official documentation?


(because:
En revanche, si vous êtes titulaire d’un permis de séjour (permis B) , il n’est pas assuré que votre femme pourra vous rejoindre. L’Office des Etrangers peut donner l’autorisation de séjour à votre femme et à vos enfants comme il peut la refuser. Il ne s’agit pas d’un droit. Les critères de décision sont assez larges et l’Office cantonal des étrangers traite les dossiers au cas par cas. )

Ie: if your french guy has Permis B it's possible you will be refused entry!!!
This is an extract from the rules for non-EU citizens .
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Old 21.01.2011, 18:41
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Re: What is attestation de domicile/titre de sejour??

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I'm worried that I won't be able to get married AND get my immigration/visa sorted out before I'm asked to leave the Shengen zone for 3/6 months (whatever the rule is).

I'd love some advice!
ok, you have made a simple mistake. You are here as a tourist while you should be here on a finance visa. The issue is that you cannot register as a resident and therefore cannot get the required documents while you are a tourist. The Swiss are not daft about this though, as it happens all the time.

Go to the local town hall. Explain the situation. Worst case is you may have to travel out of the country to pick up a visa.
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