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B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Dear All,

Apoligies if I created duplicate thread. I tried to search the forum and saw the bullet point on this but could not find exact reference to my current situation.

This is my fourth year in switzerland (first two year on L & then B permit). Based on the details on NON EU B permit bullet points I was in impression that once granted B permit is extended easily without much hassles but recently my employer told me that St gallen Kanton may deny further extension after this year.

My employer says that they have agreed with Kanton for this kind of permit. Unfortunately I could not find any reference to such permit type.

I was expecting B permit extension without any hassles and thus was planning for long term but this info from my employer has really ruined my long term plans.

Could anyone help me here and let me know if anyone here has been in such situations.

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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

hi,
sorry for you...but its true...infact i was on B permit for 3 years...during the 4th renewal my employer told me they have to sign with blood for the renewal and it wud be difficult for them...hence i was terminated...
if you have a unlimited B permit not attached to your employer then its ok...otherwise you are in deep trouble like me....this is not to scare you but to make you aware ...

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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Dear Goforit,

Appreciate your quick response.

Its really unfortunate Do you think there is any other way to get an extension.

Since the permit is tied to the employer can I search job and then switch employer at the end of my current permit. I know it is bit silly way to ask but I am bit concerned.

I was in impression that after next extension I will be eligible for C permit and had already planned things.

Thanks for your quick response again !!

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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Hi,

I think if permit is attached to the employer then you cannot switch employer.Exceptions are always there and nothing is transparent and assured in this country.It depends on the goodwill of the authorities to approve your change of employer.C permit is far ahead for you dear friend.Non EUs need 10 yrs of uninterrupted stay here to be eligible.
Has your employer given notice period for you.till when is your permit valid.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Don't you think that it's the employer's initiative? It might be not interested in the contract's extension but refers to permit problem.
In my company there were no case when contracts are terminated due to permit isn't extended. We have about 100 non-EW employees and no one case for last 5 years. But it's in the canton Zürich.
You should probably try to find another job and get a new B permit from it.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

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This is my fourth year in switzerland (first two year on L & then B permit). ...
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I was in impression that after next extension I will be eligible for C permit and had already planned things.
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Unless you also hold American or Canadian citizenship, you wouldn't qualify for a C permit until you've had 10 years in Switzerland.

Info from the horse's mouth
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

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Unless you also hold American or Canadian citizenship, you wouldn't qualify for a C permit until you've had 10 years in Switzerland.

Info from the horse's mouth
Not entirely true, you may TRY after 5 years if you are non EU(this is called: "Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung bei erfolgreicher Integration"), of course its not guaranteed as if you were here for 10 years, but its possible to try after 5 years, if you have an A2 level of german/french/italian, no debts, meaning by this not being sued for not paying them and not being a threat to Switzerland.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

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Not entirely true, you may TRY after 5 years if you are non EU(this is called: "Erteilung der Niederlassungsbewilligung bei erfolgreicher Integration"), of course its not guaranteed as if you were here for 10 years, but its possible to try after 5 years, if you have an A2 level of german/french/italian, no debts, meaning by this not being sued for not paying them and not being a threat to Switzerland.
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Yes, but it being granted - especially when permits are being restricted - is highly unlikely.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Dear Goforit,

'during the 4th renewal my employer told me they have to sign with blood for the renewal and it wud be difficult for them'

What does your above statement mean?what was restricting the employer to sign the extension?
I just want to understand that as i am also on a 3 year B Permit.

Thanks in advance for the clarification.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Hi Checkoutmails,

well it was purely employers decision since the company has to reduce manpower to run the show...also i was on a particular project which was finished or rather closed than expected time...hence renewal was quite difficult in my case...

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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

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Hi Checkoutmails,

well it was purely employers decision since the company has to reduce manpower to run the show...also i was on a particular project which was finished or rather closed than expected time...hence renewal was quite difficult in my case...

thanks
goforit
Thanks. Out of curiosity. Are you still in switzerland ?
If yes, then how did you manage. Would we wonderful to learn from your experiences.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Dear All,

Thanks a lot for your detailed response on this.

last week I wrote to the cantonal authorities about possible extension and I was told that the my permit can be extended maximum till jan 2012 and there would not be any further extension possible.

This is really unfortunate that there is no specific rules and it is also not mentioned anywhere.

It seems my employer agreed with this term and requested for limited 2 year B permit without any possibilities to further extend the permit.

I am not really sure if further extension would be possible and would like to know other's experience who have been through same situations.

Thank you all again for your response on this thread.

IG
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This is really unfortunate that there is no specific rules
Of course there are. Project based B permits - short term max 2 years. Sometimes extraordinarily extended to 3.

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and it is also not mentioned anywhere.
It wold have been mentioned in your approval letter when first coming to Switzerland. It should be m,entioned in your employment contract.

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It seems my employer agreed with this term and requested for limited 2 year B permit without any possibilities to further extend the permit.

I am not really sure if further extension would be possible and would like to know other's experience who have been through same situations.
An extension to this permit is not possible. A new permit, sponsored by a new employer, may be.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

So, you must have a work contract that indicates that it's a two year or limited term, and they have to terminate your contract according to the legal requirements...

Otherwise, I guess you could try for some sort of termination compensation to match your costs of returning home ?

You might be lucky to find a new contract, and it may be marginally easier to get the job and the permit if you are already in the country, but I'd imagine you are still counted as 'Non-EU' and subject to all the restrictions (again!)...
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Dear Indianguy,

Can you tell me what has been written in your WP card . something like "Selbst. Erwerbstatigkeit ist bewilligungspflichtig" or "Mit Erwerbstätigkeit" ?
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Hello ankurm.2008,

I am still in switzerland...have applied for the new work permit with a new employer...fingers crossed.

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Hello ankurm.2008,

I am still in switzerland...have applied for the new work permit with a new employer...fingers crossed.

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Thanks and Good Luck.
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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Hi goforit,

Is your B permit project specific or you were allowed to change jobs?

If it is project specific, how did you manage to get the same permit extended for the new employer?

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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Hi Goforit,

On reading the other threads I learnt about your restricted B permit.

Good luck for your new application.

Keep us updated.

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Re: B permit : 2nd year on B permit but employer says extension may not be possible

Dear all,

Thanks for your all responses on this thread.

Just wanted to update you that I had an appointment with Kantonal Integration authorities and they confirmed that the permit will get extended provided I work on same project, and my dependents are well integrated with in Swizerland. They also asked us to sign and integration agreement underwhich my dependent will have to complete A2 German level course.

Another update which I got from the integration authorities is that they will grant me C on completion of 5 years provided my dependents are well integrated with in Switzerland.

So finally some hope to get this extension this time which would be crucial towards C permit next year.

Will keep this thread updated about the status.

Thanks all for your reponse.

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