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Ausweis: Changed cantons

Hi all. I work in Zürich and lived there temporarily for 1 month. Last week we moved to Aargau. I had not received any of my paperwork/ausweis from ZH yet (which actually seems a bit long, but it's holiday season) . I have de-registered from ZH and registered in AG. How does that work for my ausweis? I thought an ausweis was a federal thing, so it didn't matter in which canton you lived. Even though I hadn't received it yet, I would at least think it was in the process when I de-registered. Does anyone know what happens now? Would they have just stopped working on it and sent it to the back of the queue in AG? I'm paranoid that I'll be asked for it sometime and won't have it to show. I don't know how long the "I haven't gotten it yet" excuse works.

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Old 06.08.2007, 17:25
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Re: Ausweis: Changed cantons

Sorry I can't help you out with much but just wanted to let you know that it generally takes about 2 months before you receive your ausweis.

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Hi all. I work in Zürich and lived there temporarily for 1 month. Last week we moved to Aargau. I had not received any of my paperwork/ausweis from ZH yet (which actually seems a bit long, but it's holiday season) .

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Hi all. I work in Zürich and lived there temporarily for 1 month. Last week we moved to Aargau. I had not received any of my paperwork/ausweis from ZH yet (which actually seems a bit long, but it's holiday season) . I have de-registered from ZH and registered in AG. How does that work for my ausweis? I thought an ausweis was a federal thing, so it didn't matter in which canton you lived. Even though I hadn't received it yet, I would at least think it was in the process when I de-registered. Does anyone know what happens now? Would they have just stopped working on it and sent it to the back of the queue in AG? I'm paranoid that I'll be asked for it sometime and won't have it to show. I don't know how long the "I haven't gotten it yet" excuse works.

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Just one small question. Did you get permission to change cantons? Who is the other part of the we and what is their nationality?
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Old 06.08.2007, 21:58
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Re: Ausweis: Changed cantons

When we moved our old community stamped my residency permit with a message that I was leaving the community and going to the next community. The new community told us that since my permit was still good, they would issue the new permit when my old one expires (as it does yearly).

I'm American, my wife is Swiss and your milage my vary on this.
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Re: Ausweis: Changed cantons

My Swiss hubby and I moved when my B Permit was still 9 months valid (issued by the old canton) although it was stamped that we're moving to a new canton. The new canton took my B Permit as we registered anew and informed us that I would be issued a new permit. I got it after ca. 3-4 weeks after. It was valid the same date that my previous permit would have expired.
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Just one small question. Did you get permission to change cantons? Who is the other part of the we and what is their nationality?
Someone from my company spoke with the immigration office. I also spoke with the Kreisburo in Zürich and they said it'd be fine. I've also registered at the Gemeinde in AG and there were no issues there. That's as much permission as I got. I had asked the question about changing cantons before and was told to "get permission", but I don't know who has the final authority to grant said permission. That's why I did all of the above.

The other parts of "we" are my Czech wife (so she's EU, but EU-8, not EU-15) and my Czech/US daughter.
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Someone from my company spoke with the immigration office. I also spoke with the Kreisburo in Zürich and they said it'd be fine. I've also registered at the Gemeinde in AG and there were no issues there. That's as much permission as I got. I had asked the question about changing cantons before and was told to "get permission", but I don't know who has the final authority to grant said permission. That's why I did all of the above.

The other parts of "we" are my Czech wife (so she's EU, but EU-8, not EU-15) and my Czech/US daughter.
IT is important to get the permission of the original canton to change cantons. They are the one that will lose out on taxes hence they are normally not overly keen. Seeing as you have probably got permission from Zurich I guess you will be okay. The receiving canton is always ready to take you as the permit is on the orginal cantons quota and they get the tax money...

As an aside I have noticed that there now appears to be a more relaxed attitude to quota. Before this was very difficult to achieve without having a Swiss or EU person as partner, but these days it seems to happen much more...
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As an aside I have noticed that there now appears to be a more relaxed attitude to quota. Before this was very difficult to achieve without having a Swiss or EU person as partner, but these days it seems to happen much more...
Maybe it's because of the new foreigners law which will be in effect on 01.01.08? If I'm not mistaken, starting next year, foreigners will be able to move freely between cantons as long as they're employed[able]. Or maybe I'm just being optimistic.
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IT is important to get the permission of the original canton to change cantons. They are the one that will lose out on taxes hence they are normally not overly keen.
I had heard this also. However, when I went to the Kreisbüro in Zürich and told them I would only be there a month then move to Aargau the lady even suggested I not register in Zürich at all and try to register with Aargau straight away as it would save me time & money. I've been back to the Kreisbüro a couple of times and talked to several different people. None of them gave any indication that there would be problems. In fact, they were all very helpful and affable people.
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Re: Ausweis: Changed cantons

For those married to a Swiss, did you have to get permission before moving to another canton? Or do you just deregister at the one and register at the new one with your Swiss partner with no advance "anything" required?

I appreciate any input on this.

Thanks!
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For those married to a Swiss, did you have to get permission before moving to another canton? Or do you just deregister at the one and register at the new one with your Swiss partner with no advance "anything" required?

I appreciate any input on this.

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The latter.
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Re: Ausweis: Changed cantons

Thanks Swissbob - that's what I thought but I wanted to make sure. Nice to avoid having another "to do" on the moving prep list.
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For those married to a Swiss, did you have to get permission before moving to another canton? Or do you just deregister at the one and register at the new one with your Swiss partner with no advance "anything" required?

I appreciate any input on this.

Thanks!
When you sign out of your old community, they'll ask you where you are moving to and then stamp your permit that you're moving to another canton/community and fill in the name of the community you're moving to. You'll then have to take your permit, passport and proof of marriage to the new community within two weeks, iirc.

I just did this a couple months ago.
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Maybe it's because of the new foreigners law which will be in effect on 01.01.08? If I'm not mistaken, starting next year, foreigners will be able to move freely between cantons as long as they're employed[able]. Or maybe I'm just being optimistic.
here's a link which confirms the law will take effect on 01/01/08 - on the right hand side, written in french "Loi sur les étrangers (LEtr)
(Entrée en vigueur le 1er janvier 2008)



http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/fr/home/...tegration.html
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here's a link which confirms the law will take effect on 01/01/08 - on the right hand side, written in french "Loi sur les étrangers (LEtr)
(Entrée en vigueur le 1er janvier 2008)

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/fr/home/...tegration.html
But it still does not mean that foreigners (non-EU) can move freely between cantons...
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But it still does not mean that foreigners (non-EU) can move freely between cantons...
Amen to that.
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Re: Ausweis: Changed cantons

That is not my understanding from Art. 37 and it doesn't mention EU anywhere. Can you please elaborate?

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But it still does not mean that foreigners (non-EU) can move freely between cantons...
Here's a link to the german version:

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/ff/2005/7365.pdf
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That is not my understanding from Art. 37 and it doesn't mention EU anywhere. Can you please elaborate?



Here's a link to the german version:

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/ff/2005/7365.pdf
Yes I can.
Firstly it is not relevant to EU/EFTA citizens as they are covered much earlier in the reference to the bilateral agreement.
So this only applies to non-EU citizens.
Art. 37 states quite clearly that you need to request the permission in advance of the receiving canton.
Art. 37 also states that ONLY those with a B permit have a right to a canton change and then ONLY if they are employed. The other condition attached is additionally reason to throw someone out so that is hardly relevant.

This is an improvement but it is not free movement of foreigners between cantons...
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Yes I can.
Firstly it is not relevant to EU/EFTA citizens as they are covered much earlier in the reference to the bilateral agreement.
So this only applies to non-EU citizens.
Art. 37 states quite clearly that you need to request the permission in advance of the receiving canton.
Art. 37 also states that ONLY those with a B permit have a right to a canton change and then ONLY if they are employed. The other condition attached is additionally reason to throw someone out so that is hardly relevant.

This is an improvement but it is not free movement of foreigners between cantons...
Thanks Richard, all true and "free movement" is an exaggeration I agree. However this looks like a big improvement in that a B permit owner does not need to reapply for a new permit; effectively the same thing as reentering the country - a frustrating process for non-EU citizens. I don't know how the "request for canton's permission" part is going to work but at least now there is a legal argument to it I'd expect a potential rejection to be less arbitrary.

Regarding the non-EU L permit; well they are really seen as "temporary" in Switzerland, so no wonder why they're exempted.
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Thanks Richard, all true and "free movement" is an exaggeration I agree. However this looks like a big improvement in that a B permit owner does not need to reapply for a new permit; effectively the same thing as reentering the country - a frustrating process for non-EU citizens. I don't know how the "request for canton's permission" part is going to work but at least now there is a legal argument to it I'd expect a potential rejection to be less arbitrary.
Improvement over what? As far as I am aware, this specific part of the law hasn't been changed, has it? I certainly had to get cantonal permission when I shuttled eastward and westward through Switzerland.
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