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Obtaining Swiss nationality

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I'm wondering what the the advantages of obtaining Swiss nationality are. Does it in any way effect pension rights? Now I have a B permit and am considering changing it to move to France and commute.
Is it worth it to continue living in Geneva paying higher rents? Moving to France means I have no chance of getting a Swiss passport.
What advantages does Swiss nationality give to an EU national?

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Hi,

I'm wondering what the the advantages of obtaining Swiss nationality are. Does it in any way effect pension rights? Now I have a B permit and am considering changing it to move to France and commute.
Is it worth it to continue living in Geneva paying higher rents? Moving to France means I have no chance of getting a Swiss passport.
What advantages does Swiss nationality give to an EU national?

thanks

Apart from a yearly fee to keep up your B permit, the only other advantage I could come up with is a psychological one. With Swiss nationality, you no longer have to get freaked out by anti-foreigner posters from the SVP. No need to feel threatened about deportation, because you can't. And you can also thumb your nose at the xenophobes. Again, mostly psychological.
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Being able to vote is a consideration for some people.

For us, should we be blessed with children, we want them to know who and what they are: Swiss children living in Switzerland. The only way to achieve that is to become Swiss ourselves.
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Will be tough with your sense of humour.
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Hi,

I'm wondering what the the advantages of obtaining Swiss nationality are. Does it in any way effect pension rights? Now I have a B permit and am considering changing it to move to France and commute.
Is it worth it to continue living in Geneva paying higher rents? Moving to France means I have no chance of getting a Swiss passport.
What advantages does Swiss nationality give to an EU national?

thanks
Why can't you move to another Swiss city where you can pay cheap rents, commute to your work place and continue staying in the country? I have the impression by walking in the street that people who drive French cars are not are warmly welcome.
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Why can't you move to another Swiss city where you can pay cheap rents, commute to your work place and continue staying in the country?
because I can't find one in commuting distance! Yverdon is the only affordable place I can find that is reasonably near Geneva but because I don't work in the center, the total commute is 1 hour 15 minutes. Add additional time to get to the station in Yverdon and the fact that there is only one train per hour and it is just too much.
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Re: Obtaining Swiss nationality

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Being able to vote is a consideration for some people.

For us, should we be blessed with children, we want them to know who and what they are: Swiss children living in Switzerland. The only way to achieve that is to become Swiss ourselves.
Interesting. For my kids, it's a big deal that I was born Swiss and American. Doesn't make me an Auslander in their eyes, even though I speak Swiss with an accent and have strange American ideas.
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Why can't you move to another Swiss city where you can pay cheap rents, commute to your work place and continue staying in the country? I have the impression by walking in the street that people who drive French cars are not are warmly welcome.
Cheap, cheap, cheap, and what value do you put on your time commuting ?
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Interesting. For my kids, it's a big deal that I was born Swiss and American. Doesn't make me an Auslander in their eyes, even though I speak Swiss with an accent and have strange American ideas.

My kids insist on identifying themselves as Americans, even though they are fully Swiss. This without any cultural doctrination from me. Their friends think it is really cool. At least if they should ever go through a phase of cultural rebellion, I'll be right there with them.
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Hi,

I'm wondering what the the advantages of obtaining Swiss nationality are. Does it in any way effect pension rights? Now I have a B permit and am considering changing it to move to France and commute.
Is it worth it to continue living in Geneva paying higher rents? Moving to France means I have no chance of getting a Swiss passport.
What advantages does Swiss nationality give to an EU national?

thanks
Coming back to your original concern regarding the effect of your change of residency on your pension rights, I will advise to check this link http://www.justlanded.com/english/Sw...age-insurance;
Especially have a look on the part related the foreigners working in Switzerland.
Also, I will advise you to look at the conditions under which you can benefit any unemployment stipend in Switzerland if you are residing out of the country.
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...I'm wondering what the the advantages of obtaining Swiss nationality are...
I once asked my ex-BF (also a Brit) who has lived here for nearly 35 years why he had never taken up Swiss Citizenship.

He said he never wanted it and never saw the need although it was offered to him many times. I found this answer odd given that he is completely integrated here and speaks both Swiss-German and High German perfectly.

His now adult children grew up with both Swiss and British identities, both of which they are equally proud of and feel at home in either place.

On balance, I guess being able to vote is a primary consideration for many expats here that do want Swiss Citizenship.
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For my OH (British) when we moved here permanently 2 years ago - it was about so many things. Voting of course, but for him it was like marriage, a commitment with his heart and soul - emotional, cultural, etc. Which does not make him any less British- we are now truly both, but from a different perspective.

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Coming back to your original concern regarding the effect of your change of residency on your pension rights, I will advise to check this link http://www.justlanded.com/english/Sw...age-insurance;
Especially have a look on the part related the foreigners working in Switzerland.
Also, I will advise you to look at the conditions under which you can benefit any unemployment stipend in Switzerland if you are residing out of the country.
thanks a lot for that link. The section relating to unemployment benefit is very interesting. It seems that a person who does not reside in Switzerland is not entitled to any benefit if they lose their job! So if I were to move to France and later lost my job, I would really be up the creek!
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Re: Obtaining Swiss nationality

I hope I have been of any help!

The most precise and correct information related to your case is written below:

As a cross-border worker (or "frontier worker"), how do I claim my unemployment benefit?
If you work in an EU country, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland but you live in another one of these countries and return there every day or at least once a week, you are a cross-border worker, or "frontier worker", as defined in Article 1(f) of Regulation 883/2004.

This means that if you become unemployed, you should register with the employment services and claim unemployment benefits in your country of residence.

The information concerning your last professional activity will be exchanged electronically between institutions. You can also ask the institutions of the country where you worked for a U1 document containing this information. Presenting this document to the employment services of your country of residence may help accelerate the decision on your claim.

European law assumes that you will have greater chances of finding a job in the country where you actually live, this is why it allows unemployed cross-border workers to return to their country of residence and not "commute" to the employment services of another country.

The information source is http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?...&intPageId=978.

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European law assumes that you will have greater chances of finding a job in the country where you actually live, this is why it allows unemployed cross-border workers to return to their country of residence and not "commute" to the employment services of another country.
a reasonable assumption but not valid in the case of Geneva!
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I hope I have been of any help!

The most precise and correct information related to your case is written below:

As a cross-border worker (or "frontier worker"), how do I claim my unemployment benefit?
If you work in an EU country, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland but you live in another one of these countries and return there every day or at least once a week, you are a cross-border worker, or "frontier worker", as defined in Article 1(f) of Regulation 883/2004.

This means that if you become unemployed, you should register with the employment services and claim unemployment benefits in your country of residence.

The information concerning your last professional activity will be exchanged electronically between institutions. You can also ask the institutions of the country where you worked for a U1 document containing this information. Presenting this document to the employment services of your country of residence may help accelerate the decision on your claim.

European law assumes that you will have greater chances of finding a job in the country where you actually live, this is why it allows unemployed cross-border workers to return to their country of residence and not "commute" to the employment services of another country.

The information source is http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?...&intPageId=978.

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thanks very much, but just one question -even if I am not French, can I claim unemployment benefit in France if it is my country of residence?
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Re: Obtaining Swiss nationality

In this case, this is the answer: Yes you can claim unemployment benefit in France even if you are a french citizen.

Although you have not paid any contributions to the institution of your home country during your last working period, you will receive your benefits as if you had been insured there.

If the amount of unemployment benefits depends on your previous professional income, the institution granting the benefit will base its calculation on the income you actually received in the country where you last worked.

You can also ask the institutions of the country where you worked for a U1 document containing this information. Presenting this document to the employment services of your country of residence may help accelerate the decision on your claim.

The legal source of this information is still the same.
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In this case, this is the answer: Yes you can claim unemployment benefit in France even if you are a french citizen.
but I'm not French!

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Although you have not paid any contributions to the institution of your home country during your last working period, you will receive your benefits as if you had been insured there.
sorry, but I don't understand what u mean here
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I apologize a bit for the misunderstanding; I told you ask if that was possible even if you were French.

In that specific case, I will refer you to this link: http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?...&intPageId=978

In the case you don't find a clear answer there, feel free to send me a PM specifying also your nationality if you don't mind and I will try to help you further.
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but I'm not French!



sorry, but I don't understand what u mean here
It only means that you can receive your benefit in your home country although while working, you were not directly contributing to the unemployment fund of the country.

Hope, it is clear now!
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