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C permit and no activity

Hi,

I have been following the board for awhile but this is my first post. I went over the old threads but I could not find any references to the information I am looking for and I was wondering if some of you guys could give me some insight on the subject.

What happens if you are a holder of a C permit and leave your job for no other activity? I heard from a lawyer that it can get taken away after 6 months if you do nothing? I wanted to do sef-studying for awhile (CFA and CAIA financial designations) but not sure if I would be allowed to do that.

Would I have to communicate to the authorities I stopped working and I am taking up another activity? I wouldn't even be on chomage as I am asking for citizenship and did not want that to hurt my chances. I am in Geneva have been in Switzerland for 11.5 years and am from Brazil.

I would be grateful if somebody could post their views.

Thanks and regards,

Mark
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Old 06.03.2011, 14:13
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Re: C permit and no activity

Hello and welcome to the Forum.

As a C permit holder, you're as good as in the club. However, they can revoke at any time but are unlikely to as long as you pay your taxes. It's not yet a police state. I say this as an EU holder; it could be different for non EU but I'd be surprised.
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Re: C permit and no activity

With a C permit, you will have absolutely no problem as long as you don't break any laws and as long as you are gainfully involved in an activity and can support yourself. A C Permit is literally a "Permit to live in Heaven" .
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Re: C permit and no activity

But that is the thing, if I no longer have a job I will not be paying taxes. Would I have to communicate to the authorities I am no longer working? If so, what would they do?

Once again thanks.

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Old 06.03.2011, 15:41
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With a C permit, you will have absolutely no problem as long as you don't break any laws and as long as you are gainfully involved in an activity and can support yourself. A C Permit is literally a "Permit to live in Heaven" .
Did you not read the post? The op wants to remain without any gainful activity.
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Did you not read the post? The op wants to remain without any gainful activity.
Alright then, "activity" instead of gainful activity.
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Old 06.03.2011, 21:22
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Re: C permit and no activity

Do you really think that claiming unemployment allowance will harm your citizen application?

I really don't think so. Unemployment is not a burden on the Commune, and after 12 years work you have earnt it.
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Re: C permit and no activity

Would I have to communicate to the authorities I am no longer working and took up studying? How would they know I have not left the country? The reason why I am asking is because I heard from a lawyer that if you do nothing after 6 months it gets revoked.

I think being a cost to the system is not looked upon very well regardless if you have contributed for 7 years (my case).

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Re: C permit and no activity

As a C-permit holder, as long as you can support yourself off of your own savings, no one will take notice. You can even take state benefits (i.e. chomage). But if you were going to "disappear" with no activity, just make sure you have a record that you are actually living here in order to prove that you haven't moved out of the country. That might be good reason for the authorities to take away your permit!
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Re: C permit and no activity

First of all, define what "doing nothing" means... The Kontrollfrist of a C Permit is every 5 years, and if you ever look at a C Permit renewal form (http://www.kloten.ch/dl.php/de/4ab8c...igen_C_dfi.pdf) you will notice that there are plenty of options you can fill out. There are many things you can claim; you can claim to be studying or even looking for a job.

Regarding the 6 month thing, the C Permit will only be automatically be cancelled if you live outside of the country for 6 consecutive months. However, there is a possibility of suspending your permit for a maximum of 4 years if certain conditions are met (medical treatment abroad, further education, expat work assignments for swiss companies).
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Re: C permit and no activity

Sorry to hijack thread with a slightly different but related query - I am a C permit holder (EU citizen) and am leaving CH for a new job in the EU with no clear path back (ie new job, not an expat assignment). However, I own a flat in CH and (who knows) definitely hope to be back some time. Obviously will have to give up my residency as won't be in the country for >183 days/year. Questions/advice needed?
- benefits of suspending permit vs. cancelling? Can you even suspend if you don't have an obvious path back?
- leaving CH without cancelling C permit and doing it later? Know you are supposed to declare and also pay 2011 taxes in advance etc but why couldn't I just leave and sort out a couple of months later? Would I need to keep up medical insurance payments etc?
- any decent but not too expensive (wishful thinking) legal options anyone is aware of as situation has a few more added complications and would appreciate professional counsel?

Thx for any advice!
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Old 08.03.2011, 09:39
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Re: C permit and no activity

There are several threads on this subject:

How to keep C Permit with extended absence
http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-v...t-country.html
Permit C and leaving Switzerland temporarily

Basically the canton will "hold" your C-permit status for you while you are away for a limited time. However, be careful that you return to the same canton. A friend of mine from canton Zug who was sent away by his company for three years made the mistake of coming back and settling in canton Vaud. Vaud accepted him, but would only issue a B permit.
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Sorry to hijack thread with a slightly different but related query - I am a C permit holder (EU citizen) and am leaving CH for a new job in the EU with no clear path back (ie new job, not an expat assignment). However, I own a flat in CH and (who knows) definitely hope to be back some time. Obviously will have to give up my residency as won't be in the country for >183 days/year. Questions/advice needed?
- benefits of suspending permit vs. cancelling? Can you even suspend if you don't have an obvious path back?
- leaving CH without cancelling C permit and doing it later? Know you are supposed to declare and also pay 2011 taxes in advance etc but why couldn't I just leave and sort out a couple of months later? Would I need to keep up medical insurance payments etc?
- any decent but not too expensive (wishful thinking) legal options anyone is aware of as situation has a few more added complications and would appreciate professional counsel?

Thx for any advice!
You are asking a lot of questions for a first posting. Why not go down to the office that issued your Permit C and ask them yourself? You would then get an answer and not an opinion. Have you read the details on the back of your permit?
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Re: C permit and no activity

Thank you for the replies.

Just not sure if I have to communicate the authorities that I am changing activities or if they will come looking for me.

Mark
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Old 09.03.2011, 12:25
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Re: C permit and no activity

If you are in Geneva, they won't be looking for you. They have a lot of other things to worry about! Now on the other hand if you were in Nidwalden...
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