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Old 08.03.2011, 10:07
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Ah ben... I just hope that George's theory on the new law applying only to those entering the country from a certain year would indeed be the case...
The future legislation would only affect a small percentage of applicants (students and employees of international organisations) so I doubt special exceptions would be made. It looks like the biggest impact will be in Geneva where most of the international schools and organisations are based.

As one poster mentioned, one will have to learn one of the national languages and get a "normal" job via the B/C permit track. The majority of applicants become Swiss this way.
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As one poster mentioned, one will have to learn one of the national languages and get a "normal" job via the B/C permit track. The majority of applicants become Swiss this way.
The problem, of course, is that knowledge of national languages - the importance of which I fully agree with, by the way - has very limited impact on the ability of a non-EU national to find a "normal" job.

As a lot of non-EU posters here will surely attest, the problem often lies not in poor language proficiency, but in the legislation that priorities EU nationals over non-EUs in accessing the labour market. In contrast, international civil servants do not fall under any such restrictions as they operate outside of, and separately from, the quota system.
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just an advice: learn from now either french or german. It's going to be an important criteria in giving C permit or citizenship.
For the C permit local language proficiency already is a requirement since 2005.
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For the C permit local language proficiency already is a requirement since 2005.

interesting as i thought it was only for non EU's Magyir. And how would they test this local language proficiency ?
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For the C permit local language proficiency already is a requirement since 2005.


The B permit automatically becomes a C once the 5/10 deadline is passed. There is no check on language proficiency.
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The B permit automatically becomes a C once the 5/10 deadline is passed. There is no check on language proficiency.
Doesn't the Permit C requirement vary depending on the canton? I heard that, for German-speaking cantons, knowledge of German is essential, while Geneva tends to be more relaxed, presumably due to its high ex-pat population.
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The B permit automatically becomes a C once the 5/10 deadline is passed.
With the actual legislation, this is not the case,

at least not in all cantons.
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Doesn't the Permit C requirement vary depending on the canton? I heard that, for German-speaking cantons, knowledge of German is essential, while Geneva tends to be more relaxed, presumably due to its high ex-pat population.
Yes, that's correct. The requirements are set by the cantons (mentioned in the message document as well). Since the thread was on the impact to carte de legitimation holders, I was thinking about Geneva which makes the change from B to C automatically.
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Yes, that's correct. The requirements are set by the cantons (mentioned in the message document as well). Since the thread was on the impact to carte de legitimation holders, I was thinking about Geneva which makes the change from B to C automatically.
Ticino does as well.

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Ticino does as well.
Are you sure?

Because I'm sure that Ticino does not.
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Re: Bern proposes changes to citizenship law

I got my C permit a few months ago, no language test for me in KT ZH.

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Re: Bern proposes changes to citizenship law

Well... no "hard" information here, but my understanding was that as a non-EU, you could ask for early C permit (after 5 years) and then the knowledge of the national language spoken in your kanton was very important. For a "normal" C, there was no such requirement.

I know of a US citizen who got their C after 5 years (as they're entitled to) without any test of the national language.
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Are you sure?

Because I'm sure that Ticino does not.
Well, perhaps they've changed the law, but it was automatic for me (back in '95).

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Well, perhaps they've changed the law, but it was automatic for me (back in '95).
So most probably you are a Swiss now.

Anyway I guess you were of EU citizenship before and you had a "normal" working contract.

For who is from outside EU, student or whatever the situation is still different, and it seams that with the new law text it will become definitively more difficult.
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Well... no "hard" information here, but my understanding was that as a non-EU, you could ask for early C permit (after 5 years) and then the knowledge of the national language spoken in your kanton was very important. For a "normal" C, there was no such requirement.

I know of a US citizen who got their C after 5 years (as they're entitled to) without any test of the national language.
I'm a US Citizen and I got my C just recently without any questions asked about knowing any national language. Migration Office lady just asked me if I wanted to continue on a B or if I wanted a C... I don't need to say what my answer was .
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For who is from outside EU, student or whatever the situation is still different, and it seams that with the new law text it will become definitively more difficult.
I wouldn't say it will be more difficult. Most non-EUs get Swiss citizenship through the standard track (B to C to Citizen). For those, the naturalisation path is made much easier. One gets the C permit in 5 instead of 10 years. One gets citizenship in 8 years instead of 12. There may be stricter integration requirements, but if these are not onerous as will probably be the case in Geneva and Zürich, the law is a net positive for non-EUs.

The only ones who will find things difficult are the carte de legitimation holders, but most of those people never intended to settle in Switzerland.

As for priorities given to EUs in the labour market, well that's not really a surprise. The free movement of labour treaty is a step in the attachment of CH to EU and is bilateral. Non-EUs will have the same problems in the prioritisation of jobs whether in CH, UK, F, DE.
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Anyway I guess you were of EU citizenship
No, US.

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I wonder if ther are any updates to the proposed changes in the nationality law...
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Indeed, would be good to hear some news on this front.
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Any updates here ?
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