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How can I assist my perspective employer?

A company just outside of Zurich would like to hire me. They have begun speaking with a lawyer about getting me a permit etc.

What I would like to know is this: What can I do on my side to help the process along and take some of the burden off of my employer?

Basically, I realize there's only so much time and money they wish spend on getting me into the company. Since I have time and enthusiasm, how may I help? How might they or I optimize my profile to be attractive to whatever Amt they are dealing with?

I am an American. I do speak German ok.

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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

Perspex Employer?
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Old 14.03.2011, 20:48
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What I would like to know is this: What can I do on my side to help the process along and take some of the burden off of my employer?
Pretty much nothing.
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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

I don't think you can do anything other than sending them all the necessary documents promptly.
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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

They shouldn't need to spend money on a lawyer, either....both my employers had no trouble filling in the paperwork themselves...and were successful...
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Oops.... Prospective! Thx!
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They shouldn't need to spend money on a lawyer, either....both my employers had no trouble filling in the paperwork themselves...and were successful...
I hope it is that easy. I am skeptical though. My experiences in Austria and Spain have lead me to believe that it is helpful to have someone like a lawyer who can discreetly ask whatever government agency what the best approach would be given the particular situation.
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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

Hi!

unfortunately I can't contribute any new advice except to say it sounds like I'm in a similar boat as you!

I too have a prospective employer who would like to hire me (I'm actually currently doing an internship for them) but since I realize I'm also not necessarily the best thing since sliced bread, they are only willing to do so much, whereas myself am very keen to stay here and have no problem taking on some of the leg work.

The only thing I'm thinking of doing on my own is to seek external legal advice since internally my company doesn't have these resources and they don't seem to be willing to go beyond what the authorities are telling them (which obviously would be in favour of not hiring a non-eu).

btw, did your prospective employer have a position advertised that they couldn't fill or they are just wanting to hire you internally? the later is my case and as such proving to be very difficult..
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Hi!

unfortunately I can't contribute any new advice except to say it sounds like I'm in a similar boat as you!

I too have a prospective employer who would like to hire me (I'm actually currently doing an internship for them) but since I realize I'm also not necessarily the best thing since sliced bread, they are only willing to do so much, whereas myself am very keen to stay here and have no problem taking on some of the leg work.

The only thing I'm thinking of doing on my own is to seek external legal advice since internally my company doesn't have these resources and they don't seem to be willing to go beyond what the authorities are telling them (which obviously would be in favour of not hiring a non-eu).

btw, did your prospective employer have a position advertised that they couldn't fill or they are just wanting to hire you internally? the later is my case and as such proving to be very difficult..
No, they haven't advertised for the position at all and have only talked to me about it. So, I am thinking that they have to convey a sense of urgency in combination with highlighting how perfect I am for the position. They seem to be willing to put the time and effort in to hiring me so far....we will see. I wouldn't be opposed to sharing some of the legal fees if it comes down to it.
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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

Oh, forgot to say Good Luck to you Beetle and thanks for your input. If I discover any thing useful, I will pass it along.
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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

Well, the lawyer your employer is talking to should be able to tell you what further input/documents/efforts he needs on your part to make a successful application.

For example, it might be necessary to draw up a business plan showing how crucial you are to the success of the business, which can then be shown to the relevant authorities.
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No, they haven't advertised for the position at all and have only talked to me about it.
Employing a non-EU 101: advertise the position for 3 months + to show a local candidate cannot be found.
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Employing a non-EU 101: advertise the position for 3 months + to show a local candidate cannot be found.
This sounds like a pretty fixed rule that must be followed.

My, hopefully, future employer has already suggested that they start me off as a contractor initially while they work their way through the process. They don't mind if I work mostly from home at first. I told them that this would be fine. We'll see.
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Well, the lawyer your employer is talking to should be able to tell you what further input/documents/efforts he needs on your part to make a successful application.

For example, it might be necessary to draw up a business plan showing how crucial you are to the success of the business, which can then be shown to the relevant authorities.
I have already "brain stormed" a bit with this company about how they might portray me in the most favorable light to the authorities. They are smart guys and will try to make it clear why the business needs me in particular.
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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

Ronaldo, since your employer also hasn't advertised a position, it seems we're in very similar situations indeed so keep me up to date with how you fare!

of course I've also brainstormed with my employer how to best keep me and portray me to the authorities and my employer and myself too took on agreed to my internship (similar to you starting off as a contractor) with the hopes this would buy time to work with the process and obviously as an argument point that an investment of 6 mo has already made into me.

as far as the authorities are concerned tho, they only seem to look at this:

Employing a non-EU 101: advertise the position for 3 months + to show a local candidate cannot be found.

my employer has an email directly from one of the top bosses (whom they know personally) at the cantonal amt (your canton is probably different then mine so maybe less strict, although I heard mine was one of the least strict) saying that they are especially weary of cases like ours...weaseling our way into the system first as a temporary with the hopes of becoming permanent...

anyway I'm meeting with a lawyer this friday so i'll let you know how that goes, and if you've got any developments on your end, would love to hear about them!

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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

I would suggest that you allow him to deal with the administrative issues and instead offer him to start dealing with work related issues from home (if that is realistic) to show him how he is already getting a return for his efforts in getting the permit.
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I would suggest that you allow him to deal with the administrative issues and instead offer him to start dealing with work related issues from home (if that is realistic) to show him how he is already getting a return for his efforts in getting the permit.
Good idea, but if anybody bloews the whistle on him or the authorities get wind of it, this will definately blow him out of the water. They are really traing not to issue permits, not the other way around !
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This sounds like a pretty fixed rule that must be followed.

My, hopefully, future employer has already suggested that they start me off as a contractor initially while they work their way through the process. They don't mind if I work mostly from home at first. I told them that this would be fine. We'll see.
Contractor still needs a Work Permit.
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Contractor still needs a Work Permit.
.... and an employer . You cannot work independantly as a contractor in Switzerland.
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Re: How can I assist my perspective employer?

I will be working as a contractor from Germany.
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