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Old 18.03.2011, 09:35
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What a country.. on benefit ? then you can't have a job...

Not quite at the same level as "I hate everything about this country" but... not far off...

A friend who has been on an F permit for years and years.. receiving a pittance from the over stuffed, tax funded coffers of the Swiss government... took the initiative, studied hard and passed a standard, govenment sanctioned business admin course. She secured a job with a local company, actually started to work and had the boss send off an official request to have her job recognised... the response... "She can't take the job and we're not changing her permit"

In other words.. Switzerland is better off with one more person being a burden on tax payers instead of contributing.

Remember that the next time you hear someone moaning about 'scroungers'....
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Old 18.03.2011, 09:37
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Re: What a country.. on benefit ? then you can't have a job...

Are you referring to the Asylee / Refugee F permit ?
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Old 18.03.2011, 09:42
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Re: What a country.. on benefit ? then you can't have a job...

Yes... and yes I know that in CH, like many countries that does restrict what people can do.. but usually only for a short period of time before they're integrated.. or, if they're unlucky, repatriated.. in my friends case she's waited over 5 years...
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Old 18.03.2011, 09:47
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Re: What a country.. on benefit ? then you can't have a job...

5 years on an F is not very long - folks especially from Eastern Europe and Sri Lanka have been on the F for double digits years, before obtaining a B, or shorter if married with kids AND "integrated" ( after 4.5 years ).

An F permit is granted normally to those who could not make out their case, and are granted legal residency on Humanitarian Grounds ( not many countries offer this - kudos to the Swiss ).

In actual fact, an F permit holder does have access to the Labour Market - like most non-EUs, formal permission must be obtained from the authorities by the prospective employer.

Granted, chances are slim for employment owing to the temporary nature ( 1 year, renewable ) of that permit. Were there to be a suitable contract at hand, I am sure like many others I've seen, formal permission can be obtained with ease to work. Most rejection cases are due to unsuitable terms of the contract, IMO.
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F years on an F is not very long - folks especially from Eastern Europe and Sri Lanka have been on the F for double digits years, before obtaining a B, or shorter if married with kids AND "integrated" ( after 4.5 years ).

An F permit is granted normally to those who could not make out their case, and are granted legal residency on Humanitarian Grounds ( not many countries offer this - kudos to the Swiss ).

In actual fact, an F permit holder does have access to the Labour Market - like most non-EUs, formal permission must be obtained from the authorities by the prospective employer.

Granted, chances are slim for employment owing to the temporary nature ( 1 year, renewable ) of that permit. Were there to be a suitable contract at hand, I am sure like many others I've seen, formal permission can be obtained with ease to work. Most rejection cases are due to unsuitable terms of the contract, IMO.
Mmmm.. that's quite interesting.. you've pretty much outlined her position.. if you're right then the reason she wasn't allowed to take the job wasn't her personal circumstances.. but more to do with the way the contract was laid out. What would constitute a 'suitable' contract ?
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Old 18.03.2011, 10:00
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Re: What a country.. on benefit ? then you can't have a job...

Usually terms that would otherwise violate established work conditions, remuneration, breaks / holidays etc. ( I believe lohndumping, exploitation, backdoor attempt to secure a B permit etc. all come to play ).

The Cantonal authorities can smell the brown stuff miles away and are well trained to spot out the deficiencies.
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Which would also mean that unless the employer could show that they were unable to find a Swiss/EU citizen for the job, the permission would be denied.

Does seem pretty crap though! I know in the UK there were qualified doctors who couldn't work because they were asylum seekers. What a waste.
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Which would also mean that unless the employer could show that they were unable to find a Swiss/EU citizen for the job, the permission would be denied.
That is not the case for F permit holders. They are exempt from the Vorrangsregelung/preference rule (only german/french)
http://www.pom.be.ch/pom/de/index/mi...f-ausweis.html

Has someone heard of the 600.- the Migrationsdienst tells people to pay with F permit to have higher chances to get accepted? That is what they told a brother of a friend (he himself is currently working with a F permit, legally), he could/should pay this to have a chance. Less than one month later he was rejected. Is this some kind of fee or what? Sounds like extortion how it was described to me, if they then can't do anything about the decision anyway

sorry for asking this question here as a swiss, maybe he didn't fully understand what he paid for and I'm not sure if I could ask such a question to the Migrationsdienst directly (?), but there seem to be some people here who really know the ins and outs of permit regulations..
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