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What changed for Swiss graduates?

Dear englishforum members!

Do you know about immigration law changes that are applicable to Swiss graduates?

"The amendment provides for foreign nationals graduating from a Swiss university-level institution to be on an equal footing with Swiss nationals when it comes to entering the Swiss labor market. To find employment, foreign nationals who have earned a Swiss university-level diploma will be entitled to stay in Switzerland for six more months from the time of completing their education or postgraduate studies. Those who are successful in securing employment will be issued a work permit, provided the prospective position involves an activity of particular scientific or economic importance."

More detailed description is here.

How do you understand "on an equal footing with Swiss"? I heard that even with these changes Migrationsamt simply gives fully restricted L permits (even for unlimited duration contracts)...

Thank you!
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Old 25.03.2011, 16:58
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Re: What changed for Swiss graduates?

Graduating students in CH to be allowed to work in CH

So, is this a good thing or not ? And why ?
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Old 25.03.2011, 17:00
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Re: What changed for Swiss graduates?

Try searching. Already covered here for example.
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provided the prospective position involves an activity of particular scientific or economic importance
The caveat makes it next to useless but I guess it is still good being available for interviews etc.
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Re: What changed for Swiss graduates?

Yes, it's good move. But question is why they announce "equal footing" while graduates at best receive L permit? You will still face problems with getting B in 2 years, right?
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Yes, it's good move. But question is why they announce "equal footing" while graduates at best receive L permit? You will still face problems with getting B in 2 years, right?
No, wrong. In this case, with a full time, open ended employment contract you are already in the system and do not come out of any quota in the future.

You are confusing this with the short term L permits that many bodyshoppers get for their "temporary" staff brought in for client's "projects" when they try to convert them to B permits after two years. It took a while, but the Swiss gov are now wise to that particular process.
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Re: What changed for Swiss graduates?

No, I'm not mixing it with bodyshops. I know at least 3 recent decisions in Zurich when ETH Zurich master graduates (non-EU) FOUND JOBS and based on signed employment contract received L permit. You can see at http://crocodoc.com/yzRKQ2 that Migrationsamt makes a remark about graduate status but still gives limited L...

Am I right about troubles in 2 years? Can you add something to L permit disadvantages?
  • no change of employer possible
  • must leave country immediately if terminated
  • limited duration (2 years max.)
  • doesn't make easier to get B permit later
  • market situation will not improve with EU-8 (new members) getting equal access to labor market as EU-17 (old members) in May 2011
  • problems with renting apartment, mobile abo, car leasing, etc.
  • resets time counter for permanent residence permit which was one of the ideas of this graduates initiative (see point 4 at the end of AuG amendments document)

Can decision be appealed?

Thank you for all inpiut!

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Old 25.03.2011, 17:56
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Re: What changed for Swiss graduates?

I don't quite see the issue. The text you quoted in your first post says that graduates get to stay in Switzerland and look for work for up to 6 months. An L permit will let you do that, right?

As to your second question, it says in your letter that the decision can be appealed, within 30 days. It will cost you though (doesn't say how much) and of course there is no guarantee that they would reverse the decision. I would wait and see whether folks here think you have a chance or not (I suspect not.)
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No, I'm not mixing it with bodyshops. I know at least 3 recent decisions in Zurich when ETH Zurich master graduates (non-EU) FOUND JOBS and based on signed employment contract received L permit. You can see at http://crocodoc.com/yzRKQ2 that Migrationsamt makes a remark about graduate status but still gives limited L...
How do you know they are limited?

Otherwise, hard to comment without seeing the employment contract.

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Not if it's a proper job, a suitable contract, and a normal L permit.

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You want to appeal being given a work permit? Sure, if you want to do that.
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