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B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Hello! I am still new to this forum and have read everything I can here about permits and such. Thank you for all the insights you have shared! But I still have a question. Like many, I came last year on a non-EU B permit. My husband is here on a 1-year contract that is expiring soon. He may very well wind up with a permanent position in the next year or two in CH. In the meantime, he has to go back to the U.S.

I want to remain longer with the children, if possible. They have adapted well and I would love to give them more time to develop their friendships and language skills. I am eligible to become an EU citizen, but the application process is expected to take 4-6 months before I have an EU passport.

Do you think the government here would let us stay on with a tourist visa, knowing this process is under way? And then would I be eligible for a B permit that would allow me to look for work?

If it weren't for the children, I would just go back to the U.S. and work it out there. I have a lovely house and cats waiting for me! But I am reluctant to make the children go back and forth between the two worlds too much, if they don't have to.

Thanks for your help!
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

I don't understand how you think you are entitled to an EU Residence Permit, please explain.
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

I would imagine that when your permit has run out you will need to leave, even if only temporarily. How can you suddenly be a tourist if you are a resident?
I doubt the authorities would be that concerned about your application for EU citizenship, they have no gaurantie you will get it and it is now that counts. Why did you not get it before? I presume your parents or grandparents were European? It will look like you are just applying for it to enable you to stay in the country, which is understandable, but they may not see it that way!
It's a bit like marriages of convenience.
It is hard to take your kids away from their new life, but it's a risk we all take choosing to move countries. But as you are confident you can, and will, return surely they could except a tempory move back?
I just can't imagine there may be another way.
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

I suppose it is rather odd, but you know, when I'm in the U.S., I'm not going around thinking about European citizenship all that much. But here I am in the center of Europe, and wanting to stay, so I started to thinking. And luckily, the laws have recently changed and now having a Dutch mother has made me eligible to become a citizen of Holland, which is where most of my family lives. (It used to be you had to have a Dutch dad, but they are proud to have eliminated this form of gender discrimination)

But certainly, this is convenient, and thus not the most laudable way to go about remaining here in Switzerland.

Perhaps I should just go back to the U.S. with the children until my husband lands something more permanent. But I suppose I am somewhat concerned that the sooner we leave, the sooner the children will forget their French and my husband will go on with his former work and - poof! - it's over. No more CH.

But back to permits and such. Would the government here look unfavorably at us for trying to become tourists about a year's residency? Or wouldn't they be just as glad to benefit from our spending here a few more months, since we would essentially be living as such? But in the same vein, going from residents to tourists to trying to acquire a permit based on EU citizenship - am I asking too much of this system?
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

just read up - latent Dutch - looks complicated!

The conditions of eligibility through the 'option procedure' differ somewhat from those described above. Eligibility criteria for Dutch nationality as a latent Dutch person are that the:[14]
applicant was born before 1 January 1985;
mother was a Dutch national when the applicant was born;
father was not a Dutch national when the applicant was born;
applicant did not obtain Dutch nationality between 1 January 1985 and 31 December 1987 through the option procedure and then subsequently lose that Dutch nationality; and
applicant has no criminal record.
All five conditions must be met. If one or more of the conditions are not met the person is ineligible for nationality by this particular means under the recent changes to the option procedure affecting the latent Dutch. Residency in the Netherlands is not an eligibility requirement for latent Dutch applicants.

Did your mother leave the Netherlands or take another citizenship before you were born?
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Yep, that's me! So good of NL to think of us kids of Dutch moms.

So, but what are the Swiss likely to make of all of this? U.S. citizen on one-year B permit turns tourist with 3-month visa turns EU citizen wanting another B permit?

BTW, all my mom friends here think it would be really hard on the children to go back and forth between countries/schools/languages. Although I don't think it would be exactly catastrophic, either.

Thanks, again, all for your help!
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Well if you reckon it is fairly certain you could get citizenship perhaps there is hope in the future... but the tourist visa just seems an unlikely otion to me in the interim. How can the kids continue in Swiss schools if they are tourists? In Zurich they only get one month or 5 weeks off in the summer, perhaps longer where you are? Mind you maybe in the States they get longer? So as US tourists... they wont have to go to any school.
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Good question, Mabern! Although, okay, in the summer we would be just tourists, right? They get almost 8 weeks holiday over here, luckily.

Are the schools going to ask us for our residency permits if they already have us on record? I know they are organized...

Thanks, again, for the insights y'all!
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

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Hello! I am still new to this forum and have read everything I can here about permits and such. Thank you for all the insights you have shared! But I still have a question. Like many, I came last year on a non-EU B permit. My husband is here on a 1-year contract that is expiring soon. He may very well wind up with a permanent position in the next year or two in CH. In the meantime, he has to go back to the U.S.

I want to remain longer with the children, if possible. They have adapted well and I would love to give them more time to develop their friendships and language skills. I am eligible to become an EU citizen, but the application process is expected to take 4-6 months before I have an EU passport.

Do you think the government here would let us stay on with a tourist visa, knowing this process is under way? And then would I be eligible for a B permit that would allow me to look for work?

If it weren't for the children, I would just go back to the U.S. and work it out there. I have a lovely house and cats waiting for me! But I am reluctant to make the children go back and forth between the two worlds too much, if they don't have to.

Thanks for your help!
Go and discuss it with the local town hall. They can be surprisingly helpful.

Anything else you try carries risk.
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

I meant that if you deregister as residents... (to become tourists?) the school will know anyway, if it is a public one? Can you go on "living" in your house if you are no longer residents? Sorry, I'm just guessing.
It just seems a bit complicated and unrealistic to me. Maybe you should check it all out at the town hall anyway?
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Actually the school is the least of any issue - even if you become an illegal resident schooling is still open to your children
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Okay, I'm taking your advice and heading to the city hall next week. I am hoping that they will be reasonably sympathetic to our situation.

I guess we'll soon see!
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Your advice was sound, folks. I went to the town hall and told them a simplified version of our story - essentially that we are waiting on paperwork which will confirm our ability to stay here on a renewed B permit. We asked whether in the meantime our family could continue to reside here while the children finish school, etc.

At the town hall, they helped identify for us what paperwork we will need signed and they confirmed that we can continue on in the interim.

I wasn't sure how much flexibility I would encounter, but I suppose no one at the town heard the bad rumors about us not putting out the garbage on the correct night
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

So you're staying??!! That's great! See, it is always best to go down & talk to the commune. As Bob says the really are helpful.
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Re: B expiring, now waiting for EU citizenship and hoping to continue here

Update: The Dutch consulate assures me that my application for Dutch citizenship looks very good and with luck I will have my citizenship in place in a month or so. I wonder how I can be so fortunate that the Dutch changed their citizenship policies just when I became determined to become a European resident.

In the meantime, we are living here now on an extended B permit based on my husband's job, which runs out later this fall. He will return to work in the U.S. for the time, while working with colleagues here to find/create a permanent position in Switzerland. He is kind of extremely senior in his field, so this may take the better part of a year or more.

The children begin their second year of public school here next week.

What I'm wondering is, once I have my Dutch citizenship in place, can I remain here on a B permit without having to look for work? My husband's position in the U.S. keeps us adequately supported, so we have the economic means, which information town hall has on file. We also have our American health and accident insurance. We have renewed our Swiss lease for another year and need only from town hall the ability to school the children here.

I have read all of the existing postings on EF regarding EU B permits, but I have not found anything regarding a stay at home mother with EU citizenship and a spouse earning income in another country.

I have been offered various forms of employment through my network of friends here. However, with 4 school age children and the youngest still in preschool, I would rather not have to go back to a formal job just yet. I would only do so to maintain our ability to remain in Switzerland with the children until my husband becomes Swiss-employed.

I remain greatly indebted to all the advice I find on this site, and only hope that I can eek out an existence here long enough that I can advise others some day.
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