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I arrived in Switzerland from England 4 months ago and have been looking for a job, but haven't managed to find anything thus far. During that time I have been out of the country for one week on two separate occasions, the first after about two months and the second after 3 months. On that basis do I have to declare myself as a swiss resident yet or can I just say I have been on holiday, because I haven't been working or studying or claiming any money. Someone close to the local commune suggested that I might be able to do this and it might save me a bit of money for things like health insurance, if this proves to be the case. Can anyone here advise me on this matter.
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How are you providing medical insurance as a tourist? When I went travelling I spent quite a bit of money on a long-term medical / holiday insurance.

If you aren't even covered for this and you fall ill suddenly you might find yourself faced with an astronomical bill.

It might be more sensible and save you a lot of hassle in the future if you were to simply get yourself registered and set yourself up with a basic Swiss health insurance cover.
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Re: A residence question

During the first 3 months you aren't required to have medical insurance, but at the same time as i'm not working or anything I don't really have to declare I'm here if that makes sense. I'm concerned about the health insurance situation which is why i want this matter clarifying. Also I'm going back to England next week and when I return what's to stop me from saying I'm only starting my residence in switzerland from that point?
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During the first 3 months you aren't required to have medical insurance, but at the same time as i'm not working or anything I don't really have to declare I'm here if that makes sense. I'm concerned about the health insurance situation which is why i want this matter clarifying. Also I'm going back to England next week and when I return what's to stop me from saying I'm only starting my residence in switzerland from that point?
You are inncorrect in your statement. You have 3 months to arrange cover, after which time the gemiender will arrange it for you, and the premiums may be back dated to the date of entry, which can be a nightmare see this thread Health Ins spread payment problem - please advise!.

You would be correct if you are a tourist, but clearly you aren't so, the thorny issue of your lying to the authorities about your actual status, is rather more worrying, as would be the penalties if discovered.... and all to save a few months health insurance
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Re: A residence question

I'm not trying to lie, but can you show me where it states that a person such as me is classed as an officially resident here rather than being a tourist.
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I'm not trying to lie, but can you show me where it states that a person such as me is classed as an officially resident here rather than being a tourist.
You are correct, you can be a tourist here for three months. However, you need to have some sort of insurance coverage here. If you have an accident or get sick to the point where you cannot get yourself back to the UK for treatment, you are looking at a big bill.

You haven't given enough information to give an answer about your circumstances concerning the authorities but if you are living here as anything but a tourist you are risking your future here and also the chance of being slapped with backdated health insurance bills (as PG pointed out with examples).

In addition, your point about coming and going to the UK and using that to shift your entry date, don't forget that passports are often scanned here (sometimes not, but you never know), there is always the chance your details will be logged then it all comes back to bite you when you are putting dates and details down on registration forms.
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I came here to live with my partner, but i've not found a job yet. We inquired about health insurance in the beginning but they said its not necessary the first 3 months. Now i've been here almost 3 months, but am unsure of what to do in the meantime when i go places to travel. I had a look on this website, but i was unable to find anything specific to my situation.
Yes you are as you, as you said you live here with your girlfriend in your previous posts on exactly the same subject in a different thread... therefore you should comply with the rules of residency, simple really. You can be a tourist for up to 3 months then you must leave, for a period and you can return for another 3 months end of. The fact that you haven't found a job is irrelevant, and you can ask the question as many times as you like but the answer will always be the same!

The rules are uncomplicated and pretty clear, and only people looking to bend or break them make it otherwise. Basic health cover would cost less than CHF 140 per month, thats all you are trying to wriggle out of.

Sandgrounders point of passport scanning will show when you enter/leave CH, so you may get lucky and not get caught trying to pull a fast one, but should you get caught the penalites would be a damned sight more than the CHF 340 you would have paid for cover... in that respect it's a no brainer really.
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Re: A residence question

No I'm not trying to lie. I'm merely asking for clarification on the rules and until someone is provides me with sources to back up what they're saying i'm none the wiser. Anyway, I will probably just make further enquiries at the local council and hopefully get the matter resolved.
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Regardless of the moral appropriateness, etc., you need to check whether there is a reciprocal arrangement on healthcare between the UK and CH. I have a feeling (NOT officially substantiated -- you need to check) that the NHS may cover some healthcare costs incurred by tourists in CH. Of course, should you ever need to claim on the NHS, then the issue of whether you were in fact a tourist would arise.

Best to check with the competent Swiss authorities and just do the right thing, really. These things have a habit of catching up with you and biting you on the derrière.
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No I'm not trying to lie. I'm merely asking for clarification on the rules and until someone is provides me with sources to back up what they're saying i'm none the wiser. Anyway, I will probably just make further enquiries at the local council and hopefully get the matter resolved.
You've already been told the rules. You can be a tourist for 90 days. After that you need to leave for 3 months before you come back OR you have to register as a resident.
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No I'm not trying to lie. I'm merely asking for clarification on the rules and until someone is provides me with sources to back up what they're saying i'm none the wiser. Anyway, I will probably just make further enquiries at the local council and hopefully get the matter resolved.
We'll get it from the authorities verbatum then, but the answer will be the same, if you are 'genuine' a tourist you should have left after 3 months, if you are resident as your stated intention was from your previous thread, you should have bought health cover when you arrived and applied by the same rules as any other foreign resident here. Not rocket science or complicated, and you are no different from anyone else, an to try to fudge/blur the tourist/resident thing is a dangerous game for a few CHF.

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You've already been told the rules. You can be a tourist for 90 days. After that you need to leave for 3 months before you come back OR you have to register as a resident.
No one mentioned that after 3 months I had to be in England for the next 3 months before I could return as a tourist. Where does it say that by the way? The other issue was that i wasn't in Switzerland continuously for the whole 3 months. I was away on two occasions during that time, hence my asking the question to begin with.
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No one mentioned that after 3 months I had to be in England for the next 3 months before I could return as a tourist. Where does it say that by the way? The other issue was that i wasn't in Switzerland continuously for the whole 3 months. I was away on two occasions during that time, hence my asking the question to begin with.
So you over stayed, regardless of whether should have been on a tourist visa legitimately or not:.... and so it goes

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So you over stayed, regardless of whether should have been on a tourist visa legitimately or not:.... and so it
That doesn't actually address my point, but nevermind.
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I arrived in Switzerland from England 4 months ago and have been looking for a job, but haven't managed to find anything thus far. During that time I have been out of the country for one week on two separate occasions, the first after about two months and the second after 3 months. On that basis do I have to declare myself as a swiss resident yet or can I just say I have been on holiday, because I haven't been working or studying or claiming any money. Someone close to the local commune suggested that I might be able to do this and it might save me a bit of money for things like health insurance, if this proves to be the case. Can anyone here advise me on this matter.
Yes you do have to register yourself and because you didn't you will be fined. Health insurance will be given to you and backdated to your official date of entry, and they pick a 'middle priced' insurance so expect to pay between 300-400 CHF a month.

That is exactly what happened to me when I didn't register in time (I left the country on business and it took longer than expected).
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ok, you came with your partner but have not registered. When you do register, be prepared to answer some questions but............as you're UK, nobody will press hard in my opinion. But be prepared for the health insurance to potentially be backdated.

It's hard to prove either way.

Do consider though that your partner, having registered, has 3 months to sort health insurance or it'll be done for him or her.

Also be prepared for someone to dob you in.
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Bondalu - you gave this thread the title "A residence question" which suggested to everyone that you are resident here. Residents have to follow different rules to tourists.

If you are just here to see the sights as a tourist, perhaps you should have titled the thread "A tourist question".
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No one mentioned that after 3 months I had to be in England for the next 3 months before I could return as a tourist. Where does it say that by the way? The other issue was that i wasn't in Switzerland continuously for the whole 3 months. I was away on two occasions during that time, hence my asking the question to begin with.
It doesn't matter that you were way on two occasions. You have 90 days in any 180 day period. Are you over or under your 90 days?

Anyway, if you want to read the rules, see link below. And they aren't even giving your the "benefit-of-a-tourist-doubt" that we were. According to them you've been a resident the whole time & should have registered the day you arrived.

http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2011...sidence-begin/
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Re: A residence question

Honestly, if i was you, I would register now and get health insurance cover. No matter how much you would try to avoid any cost, it would come back and haunt you. Switzerland isnt the UK where things are never fully qualified. Whether it be your date of entry or the time you want to start your health insurance, authorities will get the info they need.... Just save yourself a hassle and get covered!
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