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Old 21.07.2011, 16:53
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Re: how to become swiss citizen?

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Marry a Swiss, and live here five years.

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Does the five years period start after the marriage or can I marry a Swiss on my 1,826th day of living in Switzerland and become a citizen the next morning?

Please let me know so I don't end up marrying an Eastern European by accident.

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wonderful first post! Are you sure Switzerland won't have to pay you for the privilige of you allowing them to grant you citizenship?

There are a few countries that will actually let foreigners buy citizenship. I believe the Dominican Republic is one of them, and if I remember correctly it's not too expensive.
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Old 21.07.2011, 17:27
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Re: how to become swiss citizen?

If you have a german citizenship, what advantage is a swiss one? You can work in the country without having a long visa process, all you need is a job offer.

Whatever your reasons, all sounds a bit fishy to me. Only advantages i can see are being able to vote and work with the police force. You do realise that you would need to work here first if you wanted to claim some sort of benefit from the state, dont you?

May be easier to come as an israeli and try to claim asylum

If your wish is entirely honest, then come and start a business in Switzerland which would automatically entitle you to a 'C' permit, which in turn entitles you to almost everything that a swiss citizen is entitled to
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Old 21.07.2011, 17:31
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Give me 50M, and I'll marry you (for 90 %).

Tom

Also interested in a similar deal. I'll do it for 85% though :P
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IIf your wish is entirely honest, then come and start a business in Switzerland which would automatically entitle you to a 'C' permit,
Factually incorrect.
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Old 21.07.2011, 17:59
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Factually incorrect.
Well enlighten me, it must be different for people outside the EU. I got my C permit after becoming self employed
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Old 21.07.2011, 18:04
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If your wish is entirely honest, then come and start a business in Switzerland which would automatically entitle you to a 'C' permit,
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Factually incorrect.
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Well enlighten me, it must be different for people outside the EU. I got my C permit after becoming self employed
Wow, what logic. The fact that ONE person got a C permit after becoming self employed doesn't actually mean that EVERYONE who becomes self-employed will automatically get one.
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Old 21.07.2011, 18:15
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Well enlighten me, it must be different for people outside the EU. I got my C permit after becoming self employed
I'm going to make a wild guess - you had been in Switzerland for a while before becoming self-employed.
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Old 21.07.2011, 18:31
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I'm going to make a wild guess - you had been in Switzerland for a while before becoming self-employed.
4 years at the time, but i had heard that it was for tax reasons that i changed. As Quellensteuer (which a B permit holder pays) cant be deducted from an Einzelfirma income, i would need to pay the tax annually. It may differ from canton to canton, dunno.
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Old 21.07.2011, 18:37
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Wow, what logic. The fact that ONE person got a C permit after becoming self employed doesn't actually mean that EVERYONE who becomes self-employed will automatically get one.
Maybe you could enlighten me then.

Ok, if i was wrong in what i said then fair enough, i can accept that.

I shared my experience which i believed to be the rule in switzerland, not knowing that this could differ from person to person, only to be put down by "Factually incorrect"

Maybe you could enlighten me to the "facts", so that in the future i can refrain from sharing false information. I would be interested to know but nobody seems to want to tell me. Is information power in this forum? Or is this forum supposed to be informative as opposed to what i experienced just now?

Fact is, the OP is no longer interested in this post. He is up to something fishy in my eyes and without a proper introduction and not even living in switzerland, he would probably be better contacting the embassy on this matter
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Re: how to become swiss citizen?

I 've got Swiss citizenship, but I didn't have to pay a lot of money.
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Old 21.07.2011, 18:46
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Hello All,
Sorry if the clichéd question I'm about to ask belongs in a different forum. Anyhoo, long story short. I am an American citizen living in France with my French national boyfriend. I have been illegal since April (I was in Spain teaching English and studying Spanish for 3 months, and then moved to France to live with boyfriend.) My boyfriend starts his job at CERN on September 1st. We will be living there for 2 years, as this is the duration of his contract. I have called so many embassies and no one seems 'allowed' to speak with me on the phone for longer than 2 minutes...as well as being super shady on being able to anwser any questions that I have. "Go to the website"...ok, so I go to ALL the websites and I still feel like a rabbit chasing a damn carrot in circles. One woman at Swiss embassy in France, told me that I could apply for familial visa WITHOUT being married to my boyfriend? Is this true? Because it doesn't seem to be. Basically, I need to know what kind of visa I need to apply for. The tourist visa ain't gonna cut it...2 years living in Geneva is quite longer than 3 months. I will visit the consulate in Paris, but is there anyway for me to accomplish the visa without having to return to the states? Should I apply for residence visa? I'm pulling my hair out here. Any help would be fabulous! Thanks! Suzanne from Texas
Cern must have organised a visa for your boyfriend; I assume he just tells them that he also needs one for his "spouse equivalent"?
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I 've got Swiss citizenship, but I didn't have to pay a lot of money.

Sorry about that slight typo; of course, what I really meant to say was:
I get to pay a lot of money, but I didn't get Swiss citizenship
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Wow, what logic. The fact that ONE person got a C permit after becoming self employed doesn't actually mean that EVERYONE who becomes self-employed will automatically get one.
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Maybe you could enlighten me then.

Ok, if i was wrong in what i said then fair enough, i can accept that.

I shared my experience which i believed to be the rule in switzerland, not knowing that this could differ from person to person, only to be put down by "Factually incorrect"
Quite honestly, I haven't the faintest idea - which is why I generally refrain from giving answers to this sort of question. Like Shorrick, I like answers to be factually correct.

One of the most common problems with 'rules' and 'the law' in Switzerland is that so much of it various from canton to canton and town to town. One of the most common problems with EF is that the questioner so rarely gives all the necessary information clearly, if at all, and too many folk give an answer which is/was correct in one specific case, but is by no means the general rule.

It wouldn't matter as much if the reply ran along the lines of - 'I don't know what the rulebook says, but in my case it took....' Then it would be clearer. Mostly I give links to the official sites which, of course, haven't half the info the poor questioner needs anyway.
My reaction to your post was a grinning one as the logic reminded me of that of my grandchildren.
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4 years at the time,
There you go. After 5 years in Switzerland EU citizens are entitled to a C permit. Has nothing to do with being owner of an Einzelfirma or not. As matter of fact you can start off in Switzerland by establishing a company, be it sole trader, LLC or else, and get a B all the same.

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Maybe you could enlighten me then.

Ok, if i was wrong in what i said then fair enough, i can accept that.

I shared my experience which i believed to be the rule in switzerland, not knowing that this could differ from person to person, only to be put down by "Factually incorrect"

Maybe you could enlighten me to the "facts", so that in the future i can refrain from sharing false information.
EU citizens - five years residence. Non-EU - ten years. It does not vary by canton as it is a federal law. Only University professors are entitled to a C permit ab initio.

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I would be interested to know but nobody seems to want to tell me. Is information power in this forum?
I believe there is a sticky to this effect somewhere ^^.

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Cern must have organised a visa for your boyfriend; I assume he just tells them that he also needs one for his "spouse equivalent"?
I doubt French citizens need a visa in either France or Switzerland ;-)
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Re: how to become swiss citizen?

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how much money do I need in order to become Swiss citizen?
I have private company plus I have employer that I work under him (is it calculate salary+money from the company or just the company money?)


Thanks,
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I have all so German citizenship
Hi,
as far as I know, You have two options.

1. Marry a lady / gent for real / for papers who is having Swiss pass & stay with them for 4 years at least and apply Swiss pass while divorce is going on. You will get it.

2. As you are German citizen, start work here and get L permit first. After one year you will get B permit & C will be getting after 5 years. After 03 years , you can apply for Swiss passport.

No idea about money but I feeel, Swiss is for money and do everything for that,,,
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Does the five years period start after the marriage or can I marry a Swiss on my 1,826th day of living in Switzerland and become a citizen the next morning?

Please let me know so I don't end up marrying an Eastern European by accident.
Five years starts when you legally move here, before or after marriage. But you also need to be married/have a civil partnership for three years.

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Re: how to become swiss citizen?

your friend told you incorrect information.
there is no way you can get citizenship. however i have heard from former swiss colleagues that there is a rule where you can get a residence permit if you transfer X amount of money in a swiss bank, and if I remember correctly the minimum is CHF 2(0)-3(0)m?. don't take my word for it. it's just "he said, she said", best is to check with a lawyer.

since you say you have german citizenship already, you can obtain a residence/work permit without a problem, so i don't see a point in transferring money to a swiss bank for this purpose.

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Actually, you don't have to live here at all. After 6 years of marriage you can apply for Swiss citizenship. Of course you do have to 'show ties' but that seems to vary a lot.

In my case, it was less than 3 years after moving to Switzerland.
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