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Swiss citizenship - effects of moving to another town [ Gemeinde ]

we are a family in CH for 10.5 years. since 5 years in Richterswil (Kanton ZH), and we r considering to move to Horgen (same Kanton), the questions we have:
1)if we stay in Richtesrwil we will get citizenship in a year and half (12 years), moving to Horgen will postpone the required time ?by how many additional years?
2)costs , I have been told that each Gemainde ask for a sum to pay for the passport, does anybody knows how much?, there is a different amount between towns?
3)we have a 18 years son, what happens with the Swiss army if the all family decides to apply for the citizenship?
I would very much appreciate any information
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we have a 18 years son, what happens with the Swiss army if the all family decides to apply for the citizenship?
He becomes part of it.

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1)if we stay in Richtesrwil we will get citizenship in a year and half (12 years), moving to Horgen will postpone the required time ?by how many additional years?
Canton Zurich requires you to have lived in your Gemeinde for two years before you apply for naturalisation, so the counter would start again at two years. I'm also in Richterswil and moved when I was 18 months out from naturalisation and stayed in the Gemeinde for that very reason. Be aware that you won't "get" citizenship in another 18 months - you will be able to apply. The process will then take a while (anecdotal evidence suggests anything up to a couple of years).

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2)costs , I have been told that each Gemainde ask for a sum to pay for the passport, does anybody knows how much?, there is a different amount between towns?
Your best bet is to ask the Gemeinde directly, they're usually very helpful.

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He becomes Swiss and subject to the requirements imposed on any other Swiss male. When a friend's family naturalised, this was actually one of the most important motivations for one of her sons - he's grown up in Switzerland and feels Swiss so he wanted to be subject to the military requirements, which he couldn't do without a Swiss passport
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Re: swiss citizenship by gemainde

As your son is over 18 I think he'll need to apply separately, the years he's spent living in Switzerland as a child are counted at a different rate to those of adults (I think it's doubled, but not positive).
He will then be eligible for national service or civil duties (possible even a short prison term in certain cantons) if he claims exemption on moral grounds.

My own sons refuse to apply for passports for this reason.
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As your son is over 18 I think he'll need to apply separately, the years he's spent living in Switzerland as a child are counted at a different rate to those of adults (I think it's doubled, but not positive).
He will then be eligible for national service or civil duties (possible even a short prison term in certain cantons) if he claims exemption on moral grounds.

My own sons refuse to apply for passports for this reason.
getting citizenship will probably subject you to the duties/service even if you dont apply or a passport but you might know better.
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Canton Zurich requires you to have lived in your Gemeinde for two years before you apply for naturalisation, so the counter would start again at two years. I'm also in Richterswil and moved when I was 18 months out from naturalisation and stayed in the Gemeinde for that very reason. Be aware that you won't "get" citizenship in another 18 months - you will be able to apply. The process will then take a while (anecdotal evidence suggests anything up to a couple of years).


I think in Kanton Zurich, each town has different requirements so you might want to check with the one you are in and the one you potentially plan to move to.
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1)if we stay in Richtesrwil we will get citizenship in a year and half (12 years)
Not exactly, in a year and a half you will be eligible to "apply" for citizenship. Until you actually have a passport in hand the process could take as long as an additional year and a half (or more).
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getting citizenship will probably subject you to the duties/service even if you dont apply or a passport but you might know better.
If by citizenship you mean anything other than holding a swiss passport, then no, they don't have to do anything.
They have held C permits for 25 years and have no official obligations to Switzerland (apart from taxes, AVS, and so on of course). They are entitled to vote in local elections though.
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Just to clarify - the ability to vote in local elections is not common to the whole country.
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If by citizenship you mean anything other than holding a swiss passport, then no, they don't have to do anything.
Citizenship doesn't require you to get a passport (it allows you to get one if you want), but it DOES require males to do military service.

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If by citizenship you mean anything other than holding a swiss passport, then no, they don't have to do anything.
They have held C permits for 25 years and have no official obligations to Switzerland (apart from taxes, AVS, and so on of course). They are entitled to vote in local elections though.
Well Tom has clarified it above
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Re: swiss citizenship by gemainde

I'm sorry that you feel you've wasted your 4,000th post.

On the plus side, I learnt something new as I'd thought voting was now country wide. A plus for Geneva then possibly?

Two new things! I also hadn't realised there was a stage between C and passport. Creeps off to studying the rule books.
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Two new things! I also hadn't realised there was a stage between C and passport. Creeps off to studying the rule books.
What stage is that?
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Citizenship doesn't require you to get a passport (it allows you to get one if you want), but it DOES require males to do military service.

Tom
This, but I think I'm mis-understanding again. Tom is using the word citizenship to mean becoming Swiss and qualifying for a passport; just not actually applying for one.
I was using it to mean simply becoming Swiss.

Sorry to confuse people.

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I'm sorry that you feel you've wasted your 4,000th post.
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That wasn't the post I was referring to. Follow the link...
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Ah, ok. That link isn't visible if you're not logged in; I failed to notice it as a seperate link earlier and didn't re-read the thread before posting.
Again, sorry.

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I think in Kanton Zurich, each town has different requirements so you might want to check with the one you are in and the one you potentially plan to move to.
That may be the case, but these apply in addition to cantonal requirements. Under the latter the residence requirement in ZH is 2 years in your Gemeinde, hence if the OP moved out of Richterswil at the very least the counter would start again from two years

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...tzfristen.html
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we are a family in CH for 10.5 years. since 5 years in Richterswil (Kanton ZH), and we r considering to move to Horgen (same Kanton), the questions we have:
1)if we stay in Richtesrwil we will get citizenship in a year and half (12 years), moving to Horgen will postpone the required time ?by how many additional years?
2)costs , I have been told that each Gemainde ask for a sum to pay for the passport, does anybody knows how much?, there is a different amount between towns?
3)we have a 18 years son, what happens with the Swiss army if the all family decides to apply for the citizenship?
I would very much appreciate any information
Having done this, with exactly the same questions (having been a teenager/young adult who didn't want to go to the military):
  1. There are two counters:
    1. Federal law requires 12 years of total residence in Switzerland, with certain restrictions on absence. Years under age 18 count double for this. Your children already meet this requirement, but you do not.
    2. The Gemeinde (as the bona fide issuer of citizenship) requires a certain amount of residence in the municipality before citizenship is granted. This varies from zero (some village in Ticino) to 3 or more years. In the Zurich area, 2-3 years is typical. Years under age 18 do not count double. If you move, only this counter "resets". Moving to Horgen would mean having to wait however long Horgen wants. Assuming it's 3 years, then this delays your application by 1.5 years, since you still have 1.5 years to go before you can apply anywhere.
  2. Cost varies. For me, it cost about CHF400 from the Gemeinde and CHF800 from the canton and federal gov'ts. Plus another ~CHF1000 for the new translation of my birth cert (Spanish to English; they accepted English or D/F/I) and the other papers they wanted: Strafregisterauszug, Betreibungsregisterauszug, and a few others I think — all issued recently.
  3. As a male Swiss citizen under age 25, your son will be subject to compulsory military service (or alternative service). After age 25, if boot camp hasn't been completed, he won't have to do it, but he will have to do alternative service. After age 30, no service is required.
Let me also clarify a point: citizenship ≠ passport. While common German usage is to say "passport" to mean "citizenship", they are distinct things.

A passport is merely a travel document; it is not necessary to have a passport to be a citizen. Nor is the reverse necessarily true: though probably 99.999% of passports are ordinary ones issued to citizens of a country, countries occasionally issue passports to resident aliens who are unable to get a passport from their home country (e.g. due to war, persecution, etc.).

After getting Swiss citizenship, you can apply for a passport, for which you then make an appointment at the passport office (Passbüro) in Zurich. It costs CHF130, I think. For 10 more, you can also get your national ID card made at the same time.

If for some reason you don't want a passport, you can get just the ID card from your Gemeinde, without having to schlep to the Passbüro, but it will cost more.

I highly recommend doing both, so you have the passport, but also have the national ID. You need one or the other for identification should you be stopped by police.

If you have any extra questions, I'd be happy to answer.
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After getting Swiss citizenship, you can apply for a passport, for which you then make an appointment at the passport office (Passbüro) in Zurich. It costs CHF130, I think. For 10 more, you can also get your national ID card made at the same time.

If for some reason you don't want a passport, you can get just the ID card from your Gemeinde, without having to schlep to the Passbüro, but it will cost more.
Around here, you also go to the gemeinde for a passport.

You only need a passport for non-European countries, so if you don't travel outside Europe there's no reason to get a passport.

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