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Old 26.07.2011, 00:30
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The OP did not state that she intended to marry her boyfriend so a fiancée permit, at least at this point, is irrelevant.

I'm not questionning any stats, I am asking why you are suddenly assuming they will get married...



It's actually not a terribly relevant point, though is it? The OP wants to come to Switzerland to be with her boyfriend, not start a mass stampede out of Toronto.



I'm not in "happy land", I just thought that for someone armed with zero facts or useful information apart from your opinion and observations, you were showing things in an overly negative light.
Thank you so much for your more optimistic advice (and for actually considering the fact that marriage might not be the option at this point - that seems to be the go-to response from a lot of people). Honestly, you gave me some hope. In my initial thread I asked for advice and stories of success as this is a difficult process and it's easy to give up hope and knowing that you found a way makes it a little better.

I will look into what you said and, again, I appreciate you taking the time to give me a positive outlook on the situation.
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Old 26.07.2011, 00:42
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Re: Canadian Seeking Relocation Advice/Info

Sorry! half of this was meant for another post, but I got confused. The "success story" part. In my head i combined the two.

But my response to you was to thank YOU for sticking up for the positive attitude side. I read some of the responses on here and, quite honestly, felt a bit discouraged.

Sorry for the mix up. :S
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I'm a Canadian and I came over with my then-Swiss boyfriend almost 6 years ago. We went to the Gemeinde and told them we planned to marry in Canada a year and a half later, didn't show anything regarding finances, showed I was covered under my parents health insurance until my Swiss insurance kicked in and my permit arrived 5 days later. Six months after that I got a job, with only a BA, permit available the day after my company filed the paperwork. I really believe it depends on the person you deal with at the Gemeinde. It's not impossible, but seems for some they've had lots of problems. I think your best bet is to go to the Gemeinde where you will live and see what they say.
Thank you for this post. I'm glad to hear things worked out for you - makes me feel a bit better knowing someone has done what I hope to do. I will look into this and hopefully I have the same luck you did.



I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond, regardless of whether they're more positive or more negative..but it certainly is nice to hear that I'm not necessarily doomed.
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Thank you for this post. I'm glad to hear things worked out for you - makes me feel a bit better knowing someone has done what I hope to do. I will look into this and hopefully I have the same luck you did.



I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond, regardless of whether they're more positive or more negative..but it certainly is nice to hear that I'm not necessarily doomed.


*Ehem*

That, would be what they call a fiancée permit and there's a reason people turn to it. If you're not among the rich &/or famous, claiming political asylum, a student of a recognized school, EU/married to EU or highly skilled, it's the only choice left! And a lot has changed in six years. If you're coming to Zürich, you will need to prove 30,000 in cash assets - and don't think they won't check to make sure you do get married. If you are not ready to be married or engaged, please do not pursue this option; it will not end well.

This is not reality, I'm sorry but you can't just request flowers and glitter and ignore the rest, that's an excellent way to fail miserably; especially in a society that plans their family vacations 10 years in advance.

I'm really not being negative, this is just the reality of it - your plan is fatally flawed in the current form. It all depends on the canton, but if you know where you'll be living already, get the Gemeinde on the phone, now. If you wait until you're here to work out the details, I can safely bet that you'll either be staying illegally or going home with tears.
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*Ehem*

That, would be what they call a fiancée permit and there's a reason people turn to it. If you're not among the rich &/or famous, claiming political asylum, a student of a recognized school, EU/married to EU or highly skilled, it's the only choice left! And a lot has changed in six years. If you're coming to Zürich, you will need to prove 30,000 in cash assets - and don't think they won't check to make sure you do get married. If you are not ready to be married or engaged, please do not pursue this option; it will not end well.

This is not reality, I'm sorry but you can't just request flowers and glitter and ignore the rest, that's an excellent way to fail miserably; especially in a society that plans their family vacations 10 years in advance.

I'm really not being negative, this is just the reality of it - your plan is fatally flawed in the current form. It all depends on the canton, but if you know where you'll be living already, get the Gemeinde on the phone, now. If you wait until you're here to work out the details, I can safely bet that you'll either be staying illegally or going home with tears.
*EHEM*

To quote myself: "I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond, regardless of whether they're more positive or more negative..but it certainly is nice to hear that I'm not necessarily doomed."

Did you really read that and take away that I was looking for "flowers and glitter"? I said I appreciated all responses, regardless of their tone. But as a human being, it's obviously nice to hear that maybe it's not as hopeless as some may think.

If you're going to breeze over comments or not pay attention to what the poster is actually saying (especially considering the response wasn't even directed at you), then I suggest you stop posting on this thread. I've read and appreciate what you've said and while I think you should perhaps re-read your posts and consider the manner and tone in which you chose to give me this information (and therefore see why your posts got the response it did), I have done nothing to suggest that I'm not considering your words as well... To use a classic: "It's not what you said, but how you said it."

I'm not looking for a fight and certainly didn't expect to find one on a forum that is meant to bring people together.

There are two sides to every story - you showed me one and the posts you chose to aggressively/sarcastically refute (including mine, despite the fact that it was not directed at you nor did it attempt to deny any of your posts) simply wanted to show me the other.
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*EHEM*

To quote myself: "I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond, regardless of whether they're more positive or more negative..but it certainly is nice to hear that I'm not necessarily doomed."

Did you really read that and take away that I was looking for "flowers and glitter"? I said I appreciated all responses, regardless of their tone. But as a human being, it's obviously nice to hear that maybe it's not as hopeless as some may think.

If you're going to breeze over comments or not pay attention to what the poster is actually saying (especially considering the response wasn't even directed at you), then I suggest you stop posting on this thread. I've read and appreciate what you've said and while I think you should perhaps re-read your posts and consider the manner and tone in which you chose to give me this information (and therefore see why your posts got the response it did), I have done nothing to suggest that I'm not considering your words as well... To use a classic: "It's not what you said, but how you said it."

I'm not looking for a fight and certainly didn't expect to find one on a forum that is meant to bring people together.

There are two sides to every story - you showed me one and the posts you chose to aggressively/sarcastically refute (including mine, despite the fact that it was not directed at you nor did it attempt to deny any of your posts) simply wanted to show me the other.
Did you have a quick look round the rest of the forum, too? There are quite a few useful threads for non-EU partners (married or otherwise) coming to Switzerland.
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