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Old 25.07.2011, 17:58
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Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Ive recently been groaned (Moving to Zurich from Australia ) for suggesting it would be easier, or have a higher success rate, to come here on a vacation and then perhaps meeting up with locals in the same field as you to chat up ideas about getting a job in CH (as opposed to applying for jobs while still living on Oz).....

Other people seem to think this is illegal.

I know too many people who have done this. No one has every been arrested nor even approached by the authorities for this.

So my question: is this REALLLY illegal?
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Old 25.07.2011, 18:05
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Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Ive recently been groaned (Moving to Zurich from Australia ) for suggesting it would be easier, or have a higher success rate, to come here on a vacation and then perhaps meeting up with locals in the same field as you to chat up ideas about getting a job in CH (as opposed to applying for jobs while still living on Oz).....

Other people seem to think this is illegal.

I know too many people who have done this. No one has every been arrested nor even approached by the authorities for this.

So my question: is this REALLLY illegal?
If you want to know the real answer, contact the Swiss Embassy http://www.eda.admin.ch/australia and ask them your question.

I believe though, that if you come here on visa waiver you can LOOK for a job, but you cannot actually start working without first leaving Switzerland (and the Schengen zone) to get your visa.
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Old 25.07.2011, 18:15
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Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Ive recently been groaned (Moving to Zurich from Australia ) for suggesting it would be easier, or have a higher success rate, to come here on a vacation and then perhaps meeting up with locals in the same field as you to chat up ideas about getting a job in CH (as opposed to applying for jobs while still living on Oz).....

Other people seem to think this is illegal.

I know too many people who have done this. No one has every been arrested nor even approached by the authorities for this.

So my question: is this REALLLY illegal?
No, but the rules regarding entry and re-entry have become more complicated due to the Schengen agreement. The practical upshot of which is that you can't go to an EU country and reset the clock. You can only spend 90 days in then Schengen zone, on a tourist visa, for every 180 days overall.

If you want to stay longer than that, then your best option would be to contact the Swiss embassy and arrange for proof of self support. If you can show that you have enough funds in Switzerland to support yourself, and don't have any other issues, then you can stay indefinitely, or as long as they will approve for you.

Or as someone else pointed out, you could just be married and that would expedite your situation. Assuming that you want to be married, this coming from a guy that has been married for over 23 years and my wife married so that we could get her a green card so she could stay and not have to return, due to J1 visa expiring.

But, good luck on what ever you choose to do.
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Old 25.07.2011, 18:17
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Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Ive recently been groaned (Moving to Zurich from Australia ) for suggesting it would be easier, or have a higher success rate, to come here on a vacation and then perhaps meeting up with locals in the same field as you to chat up ideas about getting a job in CH (as opposed to applying for jobs while still living on Oz).....

Other people seem to think this is illegal.

I know too many people who have done this. No one has every been arrested nor even approached by the authorities for this.

So my question: is this REALLLY illegal?
i don't know the answer, but i think not. it isn't allowed to come here on the visa and actually work, but i have no idea how they would even police someone 'looking for work'.
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Old 25.07.2011, 18:21
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i don't know the answer, but i think not. it isn't allowed to come here on the visa and actually work, but i have no idea how they would even police someone 'looking for work'.
But how would they decipher between "meeting people in the same profession", and "feeling some one out for a work visa"????? The Swiss areant normally that fascist. Typically this is something they put in your face after you commit a real crime.
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Old 25.07.2011, 18:31
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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

This paper from a link in the other thread looks pretty clear to me. It doesn't look as if they say anything about looking for work - they know that they cannot monitor this anyway - but the rules on actually working etc. are pretty clear (Well, let's say as clear as anything in the Swiss book of words is!)
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Old 25.07.2011, 19:17
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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

I think if you were lucky enough to find a job, you then need to leave the country and apply for a work visa at a foreign embassy. My friend had to go up to Germany to post her application.
But if you come here on the off chance you hunt for and get offered a job, you could burn a whole lot of cash in the process with very little likelihood of success.
Recruitment here can very often take months, not weeks.
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I think if you were lucky enough to find a job, you then need to leave the country and apply for a work visa at a foreign embassy. My friend had to go up to Germany to post her application.
But if you come here on the off chance you hunt for and get offered a job, you could burn a whole lot of cash in the process with very little likelihood of success.
Recruitment here can very often take months, not weeks.
I agree with that. But I dont think your probabilities of success increase by applying from Australia to companies in Zurich. Thats my only argument for it, especially if you have some one to stay with while youre here.
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Old 25.07.2011, 19:45
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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Clearly it is not illegal to "look for work" on a tourist visa in the same way as it's not illegal to look for butterflies or pretty clouds on a tourist visa. But try saying to a prospective employer that you don't have a visa and that you're here as a tourist - and not to say that is probably illegal, it's misrepresentation and perhaps even fraud. So I'd say that in theory it's OK, in practice it might be a little pointless (although good to be on the ground to do research).
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Old 25.07.2011, 21:11
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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

EU Permits - A few bullet points

OK for up to six months if you are from EU. It may be different for non-EU.
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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Of course you can come to look for work. When someone invites you for an interview, you first come as a "tourist", no? That's what I did. I came for an interview for 3 days, of course as a tourist. Then they did the paperwork and I came back in about 2 months to start work.

You cannot actually work while on a tourist visa, and once you find work, you have to leave Switzerland while the papers are processed for your work permit, but looking for work is certainly legal.
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Old 27.07.2011, 18:00
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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

I think the groan on the other thread was more to do with the length of his stay and that it could be misconstrued that he could work on a tourist visa:

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With your experience I would suggest learning German asap and then coming here on a tourist visa. If youre skilled you will get picked up. There is high turn over at most of these tech firms so they are always in the market for new outside talent. If you can make enough contacts in the mean-time to get a job offer and visa then all the better. But if you cant get that then there is no shame in coming in on a tourist visa for the first year.
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Old 27.07.2011, 18:02
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I think the groan on the other thread was more to do with the length of his stay and that it could be misconstrued that he could work on a tourist visa:
Indeed it was. And the other groan was for suggesting that once the 90 days are up, all you have to do is leave Switzerland and come back the next day with a new 90 day allowance.
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Indeed it was. And the other groan was for suggesting that once the 90 days are up, all you have to do is leave Switzerland and come back the next day with a new 90 day allowance.
BIG TOM! And my point was that if this young guy is indeed as qualified as most 12 year professionals are he would likely get something in the first 90 days. If not, he would likely make the decision to go back to Oz. Everyone else was like "Marry your Swiss Gal Pal".... I just thought this was a better alternative. And who knows? Maybe he visits and decides he hates the place? Everyone should put their toe in first.
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Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Yes.

Very Much So.

It is explicitly forbidden, under the terms of the Schengen Convention:

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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

He has nothing to lose by looking for a job from Australia before coming over here. Oh wait, except for the chance that as a fairly qualified professional someone might pay his way over.
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Yes.

Very Much So.

It is explicitly forbidden, under the terms of the Schengen Convention:
Except that it isn't.

Gainful activity means work that you're actually paid for. Looking for a job, interviewing, etc, does not qualify as gainful activity.
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Except that it isn't.

Gainful activity means work that you're actually paid for. Looking for a job, interviewing, etc, does not qualify as gainful activity.
Yes, exactly.

And it would be an un-enforcable law even if it were one. It is a grey area if there ever was one. If you meet friends in CH and one of them offers you a job thats not illegal. I meet professionals all over the world in my same field and Ive never felt threatened for meeting up with them for a chat.
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Re: Is It Illegal for some one on a Tourist visa to come here and look for work?

Best you tell the Swiss Administration they've got it wrong then

I'm sure they'll be grateful for you correcting them



Whether the law is enforceable or not is another discussion entirely...
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Well, that's not the version of the regulations you quoted the first time. And the English in the second version is unhelpfully vague.

Engaging in gainful employment makes it clear that you have to be working.

Pursuing could mean either looking for work or working.

But then I look at the French version of the same page:

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Attention : pour un séjour avec exercice d’une activité lucrative, il convient de présenter un permis de travail en plus du formulaire de demande de visa.
This indicates that it is the working, rather than the looking for work, that requires a permit.

Now, going back to the regulations once more (in English, this time) you will see:

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AType C visa is required for short-term stays of up to three months and destined for tourist purposes, such as visiting relatives or friends, participating in sports or cultural events, for business, and schooling or study programs.
Looking for a job, or having an interview, is treated as a business meeting. No work permit required.

It is impossible to obtain a work permit without having a job. So obviously one is not required to look for or interview for a job... It's clear to me that the distinction is actually starting work from the guidance on applying:

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