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Demand from the Hauswart: Normal or not?

I need to ask people's advice on a matter that I encountered today when arriving at my apartment share. Just to provide some background I live in an apartment share and I am not on the lease. This is a temporary accomodation before I can find something more permanent. The Hauswart to the building apparently does not know that I was staying at the apartment. Today when arriving at my apartment I was approached by the Hauswart and he asked me to submit a copy of my Swiss passport, whether I had registered myself at the Gemeinde, my employer's information and my contact details to him.

The question I would like the EF's advice on is is this normal? I don't want to freely give away personal information to anyone and I feel like I am opening myself up to someone misusing my personal information. On the other hand I have nothing to hide and if this information request is reasonable I have no objection to submitting it.

Also, I have only been working in Switzerland for 2 weeks, but I have not registered with the Gemeinde yet. As far as I know I have 3 months to register. Is this correct? Any advice on registering would also be appreciated.


I would like to thank everyone for their advice in advance.
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Old 15.08.2011, 19:28
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Re: Demand from the Hauswart: Normal or not?

This is not normal at all.
Hauswart can't ask for any documents. Next time tell him to give you
a subscribed letter with his demands.

You have 14 days to register with the Gemeinde, do it ASAP.

Next thing to do is register with Mieterverband. They will help you with future issues regarding agencies, Hauswarts...


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I need to ask people's advice on a matter that I encountered today when arriving at my apartment share. Just to provide some background I live in an apartment share and I am not on the lease. This is a temporary accomodation before I can find something more permanent. The Hauswart to the building apparently does not know that I was staying at the apartment. Today when arriving at my apartment I was approached by the Hauswart and he asked me to submit a copy of my Swiss passport, whether I had registered myself at the Gemeinde, my employer's information and my contact details to him.

The question I would like the EF's advice on is is this normal? I don't want to freely give away personal information to anyone and I feel like I am opening myself up to someone misusing my personal information. On the other hand I have nothing to hide and if this information request is reasonable I have no objection to submitting it.

Also, I have only been working in Switzerland for 2 weeks, but I have not registered with the Gemeinde yet. As far as I know I have 3 months to register. Is this correct? Any advice on registering would also be appreciated.


I would like to thank everyone for their advice in advance.
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Old 15.08.2011, 19:42
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Re: Demand from the Hauswart: Normal or not?

The Hauswart has every right to ask you for your documents. He is obliged by law to report whom is living in his house.

You should try and register tomorrow morning! You must register before the 15th day! Take your passport, work contract, rental contract and medical insurance policy.

http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/d...n_zuerich.html

As you have missed such a basic regulation, you should spend some time reading the "Sticky" posts here or you will get into more trouble with possible fines from the authorities.

I really recommend buying and reading "Living & working in Switzerland" You might find it in a Swiss bookshop, otherwise below,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...land&x=11&y=16
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This is not normal at all.
Hauswart can't ask for any documents. Next time tell him to give you
a subscribed letter with his demands.

You have 14 days to register with the Gemeinde, do it ASAP.

Next thing to do is register with Mieterverband. They will help you with future issues regarding agencies, Hauswarts...

Thank you for the helpful information. Just a question then about the registration with the Gemeinde. I am only staying in this apartment let alone this Gemeinde until October 1st. Do I still need to register even if I am staying on such a short term basis?
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Today when arriving at my apartment I was approached by the Hauswart and he asked me to submit a copy of my Swiss passport, whether I had registered myself at the Gemeinde, my employer's information and my contact details to him.

The question I would like the EF's advice on is is this normal?
Technically.. it's not his job to collect this information from you, it's the landlord's or rental agency job BUT he will most likely be the first one to call the authorities if he suspects you are living illegally on the premisses (or in Switzerland for that matter) and it won't be him approaching you the next time.
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Thank you for the helpful information. Just a question then about the registration with the Gemeinde. I am only staying in this apartment let alone this Gemeinde until October 1st. Do I still need to register even if I am staying on such a short term basis?
Which part of the word MUST is a problem for you?

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You should try and register tomorrow morning! You must register before the 15th day! Take your passport, work contract, rental contract and medical insurance policy. http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/d...n_zuerich.html
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Technically.. it's not his job to collect this information from you, it's the landlord's or rental agency job BUT he will most likely be the first one to call the authorities if he suspects you are living illegally on the premisses (or in Switzerland for that matter) and it won't be him approaching you the next time.

That really should not be a problem since I am Swiss. But nevertheless I will take off work tomorrow and get registered. Having to put so many hours into work I kind of dropped the ball with regards to my registration.
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Thank you for the helpful information. Just a question then about the registration with the Gemeinde. I am only staying in this apartment let alone this Gemeinde until October 1st. Do I still need to register even if I am staying on such a short term basis?
Yes! Go first thing tomorrow, seriously, you're late buddy.
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Thank you for the helpful information. Just a question then about the registration with the Gemeinde. I am only staying in this apartment let alone this Gemeinde until October 1st. Do I still need to register even if I am staying on such a short term basis?
Yes but you just update them when you find a permanent place. Best to get yourself registered and work out the details later.
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Thank you for the helpful information. Just a question then about the registration with the Gemeinde. I am only staying in this apartment let alone this Gemeinde until October 1st. Do I still need to register even if I am staying on such a short term basis?
Technically it's the one you subrent from who would have had to register a new person and tell the agency and Hauswart. This would make things much easier for everyone.

You have to register at the Gemeinde within 14 days,
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/portal/d...tml#anmeldung_

in the city of Zürich (your Gemeinde might have different timelines).
It doesn't matter how short your stay is.
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Old 15.08.2011, 19:57
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That really should not be a problem since I am Swiss. But nevertheless I will take off work tomorrow and get registered. Having to put so many hours into work I kind of dropped the ball with regards to my registration.
Every one has to register within 14 days! Even the Bundesräte!
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Re: Demand from the Hauswart: Normal or not?

And this is the form that the person who rents to you has to fill out.
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...laetter/EA.pdf
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thanks everyone for your input and for the links. I have taken the morning off, and will register with the Gemeinde tomorrow.
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So today I registered with the Gemeinde . It was not a problem really administratively things were taken care of quickly. It actually worked out that I registered on the 14th day since I started work on Aug 2nd.

However, there was another story that came out of this event which was dissappointing. It turns out that the Hauswart only approached me because he had received multiple complaints from neighbors that a foreign looking man wearing a suit with a foreign name was walking around the Dorf going in and out of the apartment building, shops and using the local bus stop. The Hauswart referred me to the multiple written notes that had been written about me and handed in by locals. There were lots. I guess for the past two weeks people have been watching me. At first I thought this was funny, I mean I would like to think I am big deal but I know that I'm not that cool. However on the other hand it was kind of distressing to know people are watching me. Well just to be safe I provided the Hauswart with a copy of my work details and my passport along with my contact details. I will be moving soon hopefully closer to the city since I would like to be a bit more inconspicious.
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Old 16.08.2011, 23:01
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There are many posts on here with similar stories, but your experience is an extreme. I am glad you registered just in time, and saved yourself a fine.

Just don't fart in bed or there will be more complaints!
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Yeah I've heard of it happening before to people. (especially the farting the bed thing) It just hurt to know I am not trusted by people automatically because of my looks and my name. I speak Swiss-German, work full-time, pay taxes and am a friendly person.

It is also strange because otherwise I have felt welcome here. For example people here have done me many favors: a SBB employee at a counter refunded my money for purchasing a wrong ticket and a woman at the migros counter seeing that I was struggling to stuff all of my shopping into the plastic bags gave me a big sturdy brown bag for free. I am not going to let this experience get me down but it is sign that I am not welcome in this particular town.
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So today I registered with the Gemeinde . It was not a problem really administratively things were taken care of quickly. It actually worked out that I registered on the 14th day since I started work on Aug 2nd.

However, there was another story that came out of this event which was dissappointing. It turns out that the Hauswart only approached me because he had received multiple complaints from neighbors that a foreign looking man wearing a suit with a foreign name was walking around the Dorf going in and out of the apartment building, shops and using the local bus stop. The Hauswart referred me to the multiple written notes that had been written about me and handed in by locals. There were lots. I guess for the past two weeks people have been watching me. At first I thought this was funny, I mean I would like to think I am big deal but I know that I'm not that cool. However on the other hand it was kind of distressing to know people are watching me. Well just to be safe I provided the Hauswart with a copy of my work details and my passport along with my contact details. I will be moving soon hopefully closer to the city since I would like to be a bit more inconspicious.
There are still many ex-Stasi, who are grateful for any short-term freelance work, (provided it's paid in CHF), so they can add it to their ever diminishing numbered account, set up in the good ol' days, when the E. German Mark was worth diddly squat.
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Yeah I've heard of it happening before to people. (especially the farting the bed thing) It just hurt to know I am not trusted by people automatically because of my looks and my name. I speak Swiss-German, work full-time, pay taxes and am a friendly person.

It is also strange because otherwise I have felt welcome here. For example people here have done me many favors: a SBB employee at a counter refunded my money for purchasing a wrong ticket and a woman at the migros counter seeing that I was struggling to stuff all of my shopping into the plastic bags gave me a big sturdy brown bag for free. I am not going to let this experience get me down but it is sign that I am not welcome in this particular town.
i wouldn't give up so easily. even if it seems unfair, if you look like an outsider, it will take you time win people over.
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Yeah I've heard of it happening before to people. (especially the farting the bed thing) It just hurt to know I am not trusted by people automatically because of my looks and my name. I speak Swiss-German, work full-time, pay taxes and am a friendly person.

It is also strange because otherwise I have felt welcome here. For example people here have done me many favors: a SBB employee at a counter refunded my money for purchasing a wrong ticket and a woman at the migros counter seeing that I was struggling to stuff all of my shopping into the plastic bags gave me a big sturdy brown bag for free. I am not going to let this experience get me down but it is sign that I am not welcome in this particular town.
This particular town??? There are 2,889 villages, towns and cities, each has an interesting assortment of Abwarts and the like

Abwarts are sent to test you!
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Executive Summary

  • Swiss passport holder expresses surprise at level of bureaucracy in Switzerland.
  • Non-native residents living in Switzerland laugh out loud.
  • Err, that's it (cont p94).
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