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Non-EU/EU married couple - B permit based on Non-EU's Employment?

Hi all,

Here's one for the most technical minded of you:

I'm non-EU, wifey is EU(UK). I telecommute with my job in US. Question is, will we be able to get the 5 year B permit from the fact that I'm technically employed?

I ask because it seems like a dependency issue i.e. my status depends on wife being EU but me, non-EU, having a job.

Thanks for those who can solve the riddle.
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Hi all,

Here's one for the most technical minded of you:

I'm non-EU, wifey is EU(UK). I telecommute with my job in US. Question is, will we be able to get the 5 year B permit from the fact that I'm technically employed?

I ask because it seems like a dependency issue i.e. my status depends on wife being EU but me, non-EU, having a job.

Thanks for those who can solve the riddle.
I seem to recall covering this before... If your wife is EU, then you can come and live in Switzerland. Your wife will be given an EU B permit and as you enter together so will you. When you have an EU B permit you can then set-up your own business or be self employed one of which you will need to do. Thereafter, you can work - even telecommuting. You will however be obliged to pay Swiss taxes and social contributions either normally or "Pauschal" - assuming here that your income is generated outside of Switzerland.
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Re: Non-EU/EU married couple - B permit based on Non-EU's Employment?

I am Aussie and my wife is Norwegian we have both been given EU 5 year B permits as have our 2 kids I am not working so you shouldnt have any dramas.
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I am Aussie and my wife is Norwegian we have both been given EU 5 year B permits as have our 2 kids I am not working so you shouldnt have any dramas.
What?? As a non-EU married to an EU citizen you really get a B-permit valid for 5 years? And I just get a 1-year B permit (renewable every year) being a non-EU married to a Swiss... So spouses of Swiss citizens are in this case disadvantaged to spouses of EU-citizens who does not have a hassle of renewing and paying the permit every year..
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Re: Non-EU/EU married couple - B permit based on Non-EU's Employment?

It seems strange but EU and CH billateral agreement on the Free Movement of Persons seems to have wrought a better deal for EUers than Swiss/non-EU couples. I have no doubt there will be pressure on the Swiss government to normalize that. Maybe. So, Brownie, start gathering Swiss/non-EU couples signature and take it to Bern to show them the inequality!



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What?? As a non-EU married to an EU citizen you really get a B-permit valid for 5 years? And I just get a 1-year B permit (renewable every year) being a non-EU married to a Swiss... So spouses of Swiss citizens are in this case disadvantaged to spouses of EU-citizens who does not have a hassle of renewing and paying the permit every year..
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It seems strange but EU and CH billateral agreement on the Free Movement of Persons seems to have wrought a better deal for EUers than Swiss/non-EU couples. I have no doubt there will be pressure on the Swiss government to normalize that. Maybe. So, Brownie, start gathering Swiss/non-EU couples signature and take it to Bern to show them the inequality!
That is really so unfair! Where else would spouses of a country's citizen more disadvantaged than spouses of foreigners

I'm actually also affected because my husband has both Swiss and Italian (EU!!!! Thank heavens!!) passports - maybe I should ask the next time I renew my B-permit why I don't get a 5-year valid one, when my husband is EU citizen too.. - it is part of the Bilateral Agreement after all
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It´s too confusing..... back in the days before I had my own EU passport I was married to a swiss guy, we were living in Kanton Schwyz and I immediately got a C bewilligung. I then went back to Australia.
These days, I´ve got the EU passport (but passed on the husband) and got a C bewilligung (was working already in CH, with my EU passport) at the time of the introduction of the bilateral agreements. So, now I´ve got a new husband who is not swiss and not EU, he gets a yearly renewable B bewilligung.
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Re: Non-EU/EU married couple - B permit based on Non-EU's Employment?

I am in the same boat Brownie. I am married to a Swiss and have also the 1 year renewable, but they told me after 3 years it could become permanent without renewing. I feel cheated also!
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I telecommute with my job in US. Question is, will we be able to get the 5 year B permit from the fact that I'm technically employed?
Am I missing something here or are you resident in the US and just employed by a Swiss company?

I'm sure if you aren't resident in Switzerland they're under no obligation to give you a B Permit.
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I currently live in the UK but office in the US. Moving to CH next March with wife. I "go" to work by logging on the internetz! So when I move over, according to what Richard said, we'll be given 5yr B-perms because wife is EU-15 citizen and I'll plug into the WWW and start working from CH. I.e, I'll have a job to show to the Kreis buro(?) and they then give us the 5yr B-permit? In any case, wife going to work at the hospital in Schwyz (probably) anyway so if they require the EU-15 password holder to show employment first before giving out the 5yr B-permit, then it's still not a problem. I ask because I was wondering if we could upsticks here tomorrow and be able to go to the cantonal office and apply for our 5yr B-permit right away with me having a telecommuting job. Round and round it goes.......
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I am in the same boat Brownie. I am married to a Swiss and have also the 1 year renewable, but they told me after 3 years it could become permanent without renewing. I feel cheated also!
I feel cheated too.. Most of all, as my B-Permit is always due for renewal during school summer vacation - I feel locked-up in Swizerland and I can not even go home (at the least and Schengen visa application is not possible without at least a more-than-a-month-valid B-Permit) to visit my old mom / relatives since I need to have this Permit to be allowed back in!

It is really so terrible but I doubt that (as it is) it would get permanent after 3 years (of being married to a Swiss) unless you have been previously here for 2 years (before getting married).
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Re: Non-EU/EU married couple - B permit based on Non-EU's Employment?

Sorry to hear that Brownie. The fact that with your current password you need to have Schengen visa really makes it much worse. Hopefully, somebody makes a stink to Bern about this and they do something to change it.

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I feel cheated too.. Most of all, as my B-Permit is always due for renewal during school summer vacation - I feel locked-up in Swizerland and I can not even get home (at the least and Schengen visa application is not possible without at least a more-than-a-month-valid B-Permit) to visit my old mom / relatives since I need to have this Permit to be allowed back in!

It is really so terrible but I doubt that (as it is) it would get permanent after 3 years (of being married) unless you have been previously here for 2 years (before getting married).
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Re: Non-EU/EU married couple - B permit based on Non-EU's Employment?

Sorry to hear you got so much grief Brownie, beiieve me I know what you are going through. I maybe need to be a little more clear. I have lived here before as has my wife me for 8 years and my wife for 11 not that makes any differance to our situation now. We have been away from CH for 6 years so it is starting over. I was also living in Norway at the time we came back here so technically I am an EU resident. Sorry to open such a can of worms.
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