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Old 07.09.2011, 18:36
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Is there a certain minimum income to get a B Permit?

Hi everyone,

I've only just joined this forum. I'm Swiss but moved to England when I was 19 and lived there for 5 years. I recently returned to Switzerland with my English boyfriend. I finished university in England and as it was hard to find a proper job in there we decided to move to Switzerland and try our luck here. Unfortunately it's not going well at the moment. I feel really lost as I don't have a clue how things work in Switzerland. I had forgotten how complicated everything is in this country. My boyfriend told me about the english forum and I thought I would ask people on here as most people seem really friendly and helpful.

We have lived here for just over two months and my boyfriend is currently learning German as well as working part-time. He only earns very little money. We have sent off an application for a B Permit but I am really worried that he is not going to get it because he doesn't earn enough. I tried to speak to the council but they are really rude and unhelpful, even to me as a Swiss person. Does anyone know if you need to earn a certain amount to get a B Permit? I hope not, because otherwise our only option will be to get married and I don't want to get married just yet. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Old 07.09.2011, 22:33
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Re: Is there a certain minimum income to get a B Permit?

Rude? In St Gallen? Seriously, I find that hard to believe - always been sweet as a sweet thing in my experience.

Anyhoo, unlikely to get a 5 year B if only part time and not earning a lot. More likely an L permit or possibly a shorter term B. If you are not supporting him and he is not considered to be able to support himself it could even be denied.
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Old 08.09.2011, 10:28
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Re: Is there a certain minimum income to get a B Permit?

We went to the council before we even moved here to asked about how it works with getting a permit. The woman at the council crossed her arms, looked at him and said 'He can stay here for 3 months without having to register or anything and after that he will be kicked out [ausgeschafft]'. I went to ask another question but she just kind of waved at us and indicated she just wanted us to go away. I'm a bit of a pushover and I'm too scared now to go back.

Thanks for your reply, not looking good then unfortunately...
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Old 08.09.2011, 11:47
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He'll get a L permit unless the work is permanent. Although swiss bob is the forum guru on this.

EU 8 is no problem and hasn't been for some time.

She was right to point out without work he can stay for 3 months without work. My reply would be "having a bad day eh? I'll come back when you feel like doing your job."

Ignore her, go back in and give her hassle. I had the same issue with permits in Basel a few years back with a miserable mo-fo behind the counter.

You have a right to ask questions it's their job to answer them. Remind them of that.
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Re: Is there a certain minimum income to get a B Permit?

Take a deep breath. I'm quite shy too & at 19 it was worse. But you have to go back again and tell them what is going on. Write down your questions. Be calm & breath.

Because if he is working he needs to be registered. Tell them that he is working part time but you both are looking for full time work. They will probably give him an L permit. But don't worry just yet.

Ok? Tomorrow first thing.
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Re: Is there a certain minimum income to get a B Permit?

Not certain why he would need or be able to apply for a B permit. I have never heard any discussion about salary level and B permits.

If you asked him to marry you then post the event he could apply for a C permit.
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EU 8 is no problem and hasn't been for some time.
And what in the name of the wee man has that got to do with the price of fish, pray tell?

One needs to remember that it is a right of freedom of movement in the Schengen area that holding an UK British passport confers.


As for residence in Switzerland, there are also entitlements, but they come with conditions attached.

Let's get it from the horse's mouth, shall we?...


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B EC/EFTA permit (Resident foreign nationals)




Resident foreign nationals are foreign nationals who are resident in Switzerland for a longer period of time for a certain purpose with or without gainful employment.

The residence permit for EC/EFTA nationals is valid for five years if they are in possession of an employment contract of at least twelve months’ duration or of unlimited duration.

Additional temporary regulations apply for EU-8 and EU-2 (Bulgaria and Romania) nationals.

The residence permit will be renewed for another five years without any further procedures if the foreign national satisfies the relevant requirements. On the occasion of its first renewal, however, the permit can be limited to one year if the holder has been involuntarily unemployed for more than twelve consecutive months.
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Short-term residents are foreign nationals who are resident in Switzerland for a limited period of time, usually less than a year, for a certain purpose with or without gainful employment.

EC/EFTA nationals are entitled to this permit provided they are in possession of an employment contract of between three and twelve months’ duration.

Employment relationships below 3 months within a calendar year do not require a permit but are to be regulated via the so-called registration procedure.

For nationals from the EU-8 and EU-2 (Bulgaria and Romania) member states all employment is still subject to a permit. In addition, the temporary regulations will apply for EU-8 nationals until approximately 2011 and for EU-2 nationals (Bulgaria and Romania) until approximately 2016.

The period of validity of the permit is identical with the term of the employment contract. It can be extended for a total period of less than twelve months. Provided the new quota has not been exhausted, the permit can be renewed after an overall stay of one year without the foreign national having to interrupt his or her residence in Switzerland.

EC/EFTA L permits without gainful employment are granted to job seekers from all EC/EFTA States. However, this practice does not create an entitlement to social insurance.
So, from the above, I would expect them to issue a 'job-seekers' L permit with no social security entitlements accruing.


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something to be aware of is that the regulations have changed much and often over the past six or seven years (relative to times past), and much of the fabled Swiss Bureaucracy has failed to keep entirely up to date with the current state of affairs.

So one needs to be ready to pitch up again, fully prepared and planned and printed, and tell them (nicely but firmly!) what's what, and what they need to issue, and why.

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Not certain why he would need or be able to apply for a B permit. I have never heard any discussion about salary level and B permits.
Because he is working.

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If you asked him to marry you then post the event he could apply for a C permit.
No. If they marry, he will get a B permit.
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No. If they marry, he will get a B permit.
Well that would suggest the mest my wifes up who had a B and now has a C which expires after 3 years. Maybe the people in the Stadt office dont know what they are doing.
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Old 08.09.2011, 17:38
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Well that would suggest the mest my wifes up who had a B and now has a C which expires after 3 years. Maybe the people in the Stadt office dont know what they are doing.
What is messed up? She had a B then a C. That's how it works. You don't jump straight to a C.
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