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Re: C Permit advantages - definitive list

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_20/a63.html

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Art. 63 Widerruf der Niederlassungsbewilligung

1 Die Niederlassungsbewilligung kann nur widerrufen werden, wenn:

a. die Voraussetzungen nach Artikel 62 Buchstabe a oder b erfüllt sind;

b. die Ausländerin oder der Ausländer in schwerwiegender Weise gegen die öffentliche Sicherheit und Ordnung in der Schweiz oder im Ausland verstossen hat oder diese gefährdet oder die innere oder die äussere Sicherheit gefährdet;

c. die Ausländerin oder der Ausländer oder eine Person, für die sie oder er zu sorgen hat, dauerhaft und in erheblichem Mass auf Sozialhilfe angewiesen ist.

Die Niederlassungsbewilligung von Ausländerinnen und Ausländern, die sich seit mehr als 15 Jahren ununterbrochen und ordnungsgemäss in der Schweiz aufhalten, kann nur aus Gründen von Absatz 1 Buchstabe b und Artikel 62 Buchstabe b widerrufen werden.


Art. 62 Widerruf von Bewilligungen und anderen Verfügungen

Die zuständige Behörde kann Bewilligungen, ausgenommen die Niederlassungsbewilligung, und andere Verfügungen nach diesem Gesetz widerrufen, wenn die Ausländerin oder der Ausländer:

a. oder ihr oder sein Vertreter im Bewilligungsverfahren falsche Angaben macht oder wesentliche Tatsachen verschwiegen hat;

b. zu einer längerfristigen Freiheitsstrafe verurteilt wurde oder gegen sie eine strafrechtliche Massnahme im Sinne von Artikel 64 oder Artikel 61 des Strafgesetzbuches1 angeordnet wurde;

c. erheblich oder wiederholt gegen die öffentliche Sicherheit und Ordnung in der Schweiz oder im Ausland verstossen hat oder diese gefährdet oder die innere oder die äussere Sicherheit gefährdet;

d. eine mit der Verfügung verbundene Bedingung nicht einhält;

e. oder eine Person, für die sie oder er zu sorgen hat, auf Sozialhilfe angewiesen ist.
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And when you retire? Anybody?
When you retire the permit stays the same. If you have lived here 10 years with a C permit, you can apply for social help, a top up to minimum level. http://www.pro-senectute.ch/ergaenzu...erechnung.html
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Just renewed my C and all they wanted was my old permit, passport, and 35 francs. No questions about my finances or work (and I'm self employed); no requirement to show an extrait du registre des poursuites (forgot what that is in German) or anything. I think you really have to do some serious criminal activity to have it denied.

Going from B to C is more complicated.
I found it quite straightforward - about the same complication you had for renewal. But I'm EU.
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Re: C Permit advantages - definitive list

My life experience of holding C permit is:
- I can have remboursement of TVA purchase of more than 100 CHF
- There is always 40% off for the fuel price in most of the shell station in Switzerland
It is a lot of save!
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My life experience of holding C permit is:
- I can have remboursement of TVA purchase of more than 100 CHF
- There is always 40% off for the fuel price in most of the shell station in Switzerland
It is a lot of save!
What is a TVA Purchase.
This fuel discount is only at Shell stations ?
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What is a TVA Purchase.
This fuel discount is only at Shell stations ?
TVA is VAT, he is joking.
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My life experience of holding C permit is:
- I can have remboursement of TVA purchase of more than 100 CHF
- There is always 40% off for the fuel price in most of the shell station in Switzerland
It is a lot of save!
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What is a TVA Purchase.
This fuel discount is only at Shell stations ?
There's a confusion between the C diplomatic residence card and the bog-standard C residence permit.
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Hi

I have just one question around C Permit advantages. I am told that a C Permit is not linked to Employment like the B Permit and basically gives unlimited right to stay in Switzerland. Is this correct.

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Yes, Permit B = Aufenthaltsbewilligung = you are allowed to be in CH
Permit C = Niederlassungsbewilligung = you are allowed to stay in CH (Niederlassen is like settle down, i dont know, how to say. Like the farmers, that decided to stay and live in a place after beeing nomads)
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I think so - I assume income could also be unemployment payments or "social" payments.

I think you have to perform some sort of "very bad" act to not get renewed - I do not believe passive acts (like being unemployed) will stop renewal. Such bad acts will probably get you deported anyway....
Being on social assistance is considered a bad act and lead to non renewal of permit B.
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It's not unlimited as C permit is renewed every 5 years. However, for as long as it's valid you can move around Switzerland without problems as it's not linked to a specific employer as a B permit is. So if you get a C permit in November this year it would be valid for the whole of Switzerland until November 2016 I think. Mine was renewed in 2008 and runs until 2013. So long as you are still in employment in Switzerland you can renew it again for another 5 years when the current one runs out. If you become unemployed it will still be valid until it runs out although if you haven't got a new job by that time you probably wouldn't be able to renew it.

If you want to get involved in the voting side of things, so long as you have lived in the same commune for 5 years you can also vote - at least in Fribourg canton that's the case.
Hi All.

Some of my answer is above, but not sure, maybe better to ask:

Due to the difficulty of finding apartment in CH might be a possibility that we stay with friends in Bern. If I get our resident permit in Bern, can I then move / rent apartment in Lausanne. We are moving there on the bases of savings (no job)

Thanks.
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Re: C Permit advantages - definitive list

Yes, it just means you'll have to de-register in Bern and re-register in Lausanne once you find a permanent place. Of course, being Switzerland, it'll cost you to do this so expect to have to pay twice - once for the original registration and again for the second one.
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yes but not sure about unlimited right to stay in Switzerland; it has to be renewed every 5 years (I think 5) so I guess there are grounds they could use to refuse renewal.
If you run out of money,you can apply for social benefits.that means you will never qualify for citizensip. On c permit and i think b,if it expires but you qualify for unemployment,the permit will get prolongued for the duration of unemployment.
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And when you retire? Anybody?
Partially correct.you dont need a job for ce permit byt enough money to live.you can apply for social support but not sure if you can reneew after.
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If you run out of money,you can apply for social benefits.that means you will never qualify for citizensip.

You can always repay that and then qualify. For Zurich Sozialhilfe (social support) only is relevant if you had that in the last 3 years, but if you repay you can apply for citizenship.
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You can always repay that and then qualify. For Zurich Sozialhilfe (social support) only is relevant if you had that in the last 3 years, but if you repay you can apply for citizenship.
Some cantons don't even have a requirement to pay. But years on social don't count towards citizenship.
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yes but not sure about unlimited right to stay in Switzerland; it has to be renewed every 5 years (I think 5) so I guess there are grounds they could use to refuse renewal.
After this many years you properly know that your answer is not exactly correct.

A C permit does not have to be "renewed" in the same sense as the B permit is renewed. Once issued the C permit is awarded for an indefinite period. The only thing you have to do every 5 years is to get a new physical card. Accordingly the eligibility for C permit is not rechecked when you get a new card.

A C permit can be revoked at any time only under very special circumstances: Fraudulent acquisition of the permit, criminal activity leading to long jail sentences, great threat to internal and external security of Switzerland, long term dependence on welfare (Unemployment benefit is NOT welfare), a total lack of integration, or fraudulent acquisition of Swiss citizenship. In case of welfare dependence and lack of integration there is time to do better before permit C is actually revoked.

For details see Art. 63 AIG https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...index.html#a63
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Re: C Permit advantages - definitive list

Becoming non-resident in Switzerland will also result in the revocation of the C permit.

Non-residence is achieved by not being physically present for more than 6 months in a calendar year.

Although, if the reason for non-residence is because a Swiss employer is asking an employee (plus family) to relocate overseas, the C permit can be suspended for a maximum of 4 years.
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Re: C Permit advantages - definitive list

1. Isn't also the difference between Permit B and C that Permit B holders pay tax at source (every month salary from tax amount is deducted), while permit C holders don't pay tax at source?
I am not sure how permit C holders pay tax (in advance based on Steueramt provision?)
2. Aren't permit C holders able to buy and rent a flat, while permit B holders cannot do that?
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1. Isn't also the difference between Permit B and C that Permit B holders pay tax at source (every month salary from tax amount is deducted), while permit C holders don't pay tax at source?
I am not sure how permit C holders pay tax (in advance based on Steueramt provision?)
2. Aren't permit C holders able to buy and rent a flat, while permit B holders cannot do that?

Every B permit holder has taxes deducted monthly. Whether the tax at source rate or a "normal" rate depends on your income.


C permit holders pay in monthly, quarterly, or wait for the tax office bill, almost everything is possible.
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