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Old 16.09.2011, 01:43
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Rarely has more nonsense been so densely packed into one hundred words. I don't know where to start.





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Pretty close to Private eye Pseuds corner material shurely? (the post to which this quote refers).
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Old 16.09.2011, 13:16
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What if I were raped and walked into the station?
Art. 168 (4) Swiss Code of Civil Procedure states:
"For the translation of the questioning of victim of a violation of sexual integrity a person of the same gender is to be called if the victim requests and this is possible without unduly delaying the proceedings." (this translation free of charge, courtesy of me).

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Now, I get letters from the pension and my landlord, (goverment and private) in German.
You only get translations in criminal investigations and proceedings (brought to you courtesty of the European Charta on Human Rights). Otherwise the government can insist on the official language.

Private parties can pretty much correspond in any language they wish. If your landlord wants to write to you in Turkish that is up to him.... of course he might have problems convincing a court that any termination letter was understood. To be on the safe side he would probably have to write it in the official language and then the onus would be on you to have it translated.
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Dont believe it is. English is not an official language so no obligation! Am sure if you were raped or something similar horrific support would come be readily available. I think their point is that if you are in a non english speaking country you need to at least attempt to understand...
Agree, but I think OP's raising the question because in America, government forms and official information are often available in multiple languages other than English. Don't be so harsh on OP. I mean, if you've never lived in any other foreign country, then I can understand why one may have such a question coming from the US.

You can even take your written part of the driving test in all sorts of different languages there
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Re: Is it legally mandated for Swiss institutions to provide translation?

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Doesn't it occur to you that comparing Zug to New York City is perhaps a touch unfair? Zug is a little bit smaller you know. What would be the position in any similar sized place in the middle of the US?
in Indiana (which I guess it may qualifies as "in the middle of the US"), one can take the writing part of the driving test in Chinese
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Old 16.09.2011, 14:38
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Looking at the problem from a different angle: do you need an English speaking rapist? It's just that I am busy on the weekend, but I can manage this evening or Monday.
A touch closer to the line than we're used to from you....for me a little bit over, to be honest....
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Old 16.09.2011, 14:44
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You can even take your written part of the driving test in all sorts of different languages there
In Zurich you can do the written part of the test in English!

http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...LFtheorie.html
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Re: Is it legally mandated for Swiss institutions to provide translation?

The comments in the posting here amaze me as i have been here a number of years and yes I do speak german even if not fluent. I remember back to when I first arrived when a colleague lost their wallet and we needed a police report in a small police station since neither of us spoke the language at that stage we arranged a swiss friend to come along as interpreter.

We received excellent service and a lost property report (in german) which was accepted by the insurance company in our english speaking country.

The moral in my story is you are a guest in Switzerland so you should at least look as though you are trying to understand and integrate. The other point is that unlike some countries where small minorities expect the state to pander to their every need there is an expectation here that you take some responsibility for yourself. Hence if you dont speak the language don't automatically expect them to speak yours, bring a friend along who does understand. I personnally think it is a good thing that the swiss only mandate in the official languages and protect their culture instead of pandering to every whim where the individuals assume they can take no responsibility in the matter.
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Old 17.09.2011, 16:54
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Strangely enough, it seems that it is often those who left the UK or the US because of the 'gone to the dogs/pandering to minorities' (not MY words) who then complain the loudest that not everything in CH being in English

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I voted for Nader in 2000. The US is ahead of almost every other country in the world in being pluralistic, diverse and accomodating all languages. Every language is available for mandated translation in the US. I have lived in four other countries, Japan being the most racist, secondly Switzerland. Rape jokes are never funny. Thanks for the helpful info rest.
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I voted for Nader in 2000. The US is ahead of almost every other country in the world in being pluralistic, diverse and accomodating all languages. Every language is available for mandated translation in the US. I have lived in four other countries, Japan being the most racist, secondly Switzerland. Rape jokes are never funny. Thanks for the helpful info rest.
To be fair, you linked "losing an iPhone" to "rape" in your opening post. Maybe not a joke but wholly inappropriate and unnecessarily inflammatory all the same.

You reap what you sow...
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Old 18.09.2011, 11:48
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in Indiana (which I guess it may qualifies as "in the middle of the US"), one can take the writing part of the driving test in Chinese
Considering that Chinese is spoken by approximately 1.3 billion native speakers in the world and that about 3.6 million people of Chinese descent live in the US, i don't find this that extraordinary.

(But tell me one can take the writing part of the exam in Basque or Romansh and I may be impressed )
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Old 18.09.2011, 11:51
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I voted for Nader in 2000. The US is ahead of almost every other country in the world in being pluralistic, diverse and accomodating all languages. Every language is available for mandated translation in the US. I have lived in four other countries, Japan being the most racist, secondly Switzerland. Rape jokes are never funny. Thanks for the helpful info rest.

So you're to blame for us getting W for 8 years...

My husband, as a German, never was offered info in German when filling out forms (green card, driver's license etc.). Maybe NYC is different, but most of the US doesn't have many language documents available (except maybe Spanish).
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Old 18.09.2011, 11:55
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Every language is available for mandated translation in the US.
Every language? Are you sure about that?

And who is this Nader chap, and what is his relevance to this thread?
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Old 18.09.2011, 12:09
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Agree, but I think OP's raising the question because in America, government forms and official information are often available in multiple languages other than English. Don't be so harsh on OP. I mean, if you've never lived in any other foreign country, then I can understand why one may have such a question coming from the US.

You can even take your written part of the driving test in all sorts of different languages there

As someone else pointed out, there is NO official language in the US, which is part of why the translations are provided.

Here there are FOUR, why should they be "legally mandated" to provide others?

That said, for the times I've found myself in truly urgent situations, they HAVE made sure that I had someone who could speak English with me, even when my (Swiss) husband was there to translate.
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Re: Is it legally mandated for Swiss institutions to provide translation?

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Oh, I just assumed it was a spelling mistake and she ment Vader.
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I voted for Nader in 2000. The US is ahead of almost every other country in the world in being pluralistic, diverse and accomodating all languages. Every language is available for mandated translation in the US. I have lived in four other countries, Japan being the most racist, secondly Switzerland. Rape jokes are never funny. Thanks for the helpful info rest.
I don't really find not legally mandating translations racist. But whatever.

Do people REALLY forget that Switzerland TINY? You can't compare the US with it's 300 million people with Switzerland who has 7 million. I can guarantee you there are AT LEAST 7 million EXTREMELY racist people in the US.
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Considering that Chinese is spoken by approximately 1.3 billion native speakers in the world and that about 3.6 million people of Chinese descent live in the US, i don't find this that extraordinary.

(But tell me one can take the writing part of the exam in Basque or Romansh and I may be impressed )
The emphasis here is on Indiana... where the Chinese population is very small... I would not be surprised if this happens in California or some other larger/more diverse states

And the tests are different among the states, so it's not like once one state has it, the rest do as well

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in Indiana (which I guess it may qualifies as "in the middle of the US"), one can take the writing part of the driving test in Chinese
Awesome. Are direction signs translated into Chinese?
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The US is ahead of almost every other country in the world in being pluralistic, diverse and accomodating all languages.
... and look where that got them.
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