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Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to appeal!

Dear all,

I am Ph.D student in Zurich now. I am from Taiwan and my wife is from Malaysia. Recently I applied the entry visa for her to accompany with me. However, I got rejection letter today because they say I do not have enough income monthly.

Here comes the problem.They did not follow what I deliver to them about health insurance to calculate it. Mine is swisscare and it takes CHF72/mth. I help my wife find one and it is only CHF 200/mth. However, they add them up to CHF560/mth. Besides, they never ask me about my saving in my account...

I am going to appeal for that. If I provide documents that my wife will bring enough savings to cover shortage, and at the same time I have enough savings, what is the percentage to appeal successfully?If I failed, is it true that I need to pay for CHF1600?

Besides, if my wife comes Zurich without visa(for 90 days), can she change to B permit once she finds a Ph.D. position here?Please help me if you know any information about this!!Thanks!!
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Old 15.09.2011, 17:44
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

I don't know anything about the appeal.

But if your wife comes on a tourist visa and then finds a phd position, she will still have to leave to apply for a visa in her country of residence for her own separate visa as her dependent one was rejected. She can not apply in Switzerland for this on a tourist visa.

If she's already been rejected, you should be very careful to follow all the rules.
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Old 15.09.2011, 18:19
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

I heard, not 100% sure though, that do get a dependent Visa, your income should be more than:

house rent + your health insurance + your wife's health insurance + 1800 CHF.

Can you confirm if that is the case for you? (just to make sure the formula is correct)
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

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It says for two people living it will be Fr.2252 per month...

I don't know how do they calculate......Why I can not save some money as I will for living?
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Old 15.09.2011, 18:49
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

I don't know if every canton would accept this, but my husband (also a student) showed a certified copy from our Canadian bank that demonstrated our savings. We also had a guarantee from his father that he would support us financially up to a certain amount ( we are not using this money but rather was a way through the red tape). I entered the country as a tourist, applied for a Family Regroupment B Permit, and was successful. My husband also had to sign a form stating he would not be staying after his studies, and that we would not be requesting financial assistance.

I do have the impression that it varies from canton to canton, person to person, and depending on the country you are from.

Good luck. Keep asking questions!
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Old 15.09.2011, 19:31
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It says for two people living it will be Fr.2252 per month...

I don't know how do they calculate......Why I can not save some money as I will for living?
Thats for both of you excluding rent and health insurance?
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

Sure, for both of us for living one month excluding insurance and rent.
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

To the previous post,

Thanks for your reply. It sounds encouraged. Which canton are you in?I am in Zurich. My wife is from Malaysia and they do not need visa for even staying more than 90 days. What she needs is an entry visa which she can apply the B permit in Swiss. I will figure out what can I do now!!
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To the previous post,

Thanks for your reply. It sounds encouraged. Which canton are you in?I am in Zurich. My wife is from Malaysia and they do not need visa for even staying more than 90 days. What she needs is an entry visa which she can apply the B permit in Swiss. I will figure out what can I do now!!
The only thing you can do is appeal. I'd be careful even about her visiting. Be sure to ask specifically if there will be a problem with this.
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

I really feel for you two- but please be careful. If your wife is here without proper permission, things could get very complicated and unpleasant. You need to get proper advice, not just from a Forum. Normally savings are not taken into account for the calculations, and I am not sure if a guarantor (has required in the US if income not sufficient, I believe) is relevant in CH.

Good luck and tell us how you get on.
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To the previous post,

Thanks for your reply. It sounds encouraged. Which canton are you in?I am in Zurich. My wife is from Malaysia and they do not need visa for even staying more than 90 days. What she needs is an entry visa which she can apply the B permit in Swiss. I will figure out what can I do now!!
To be honest, featherlin, I think you're pretty badly informed, and should prepare a bit more carefully before banging that appeal in

Here's the reality (source)...

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Malaysian citizens do not require a visa when traveling to one of the Schengen countries for business or tourism reasons.
The stay in the Schengen States, however, may not exceed 90 days within a 6-months period.

Please note that the Malaysian visitor will need to present a valid Malaysian passport, proof of sufficient funds and a return airline ticket upon arrival at the first point of entry in the Schengen States.

In case you are a citizen of a country which does need a visa to enter the Schengen States or as a Malaysian citizen intending to stay longer than three months you will have to apply for a visa before traveling.
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

Be very careful with having your wife enter on a tourist visa (the 90 days) if you have an application in process. We did this under the advisement of my husbands HR office and found out almost too late that this is illegal. I had to leave the country tout de suite so as not to jeopardise the application. We only got away with it due to the good relation the HR office had with canton.
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

Thank you all!!

I am certainly sure Malaysian does not need visa to stay longer. However, they need entry visa before coming. I get this information from Swiss immigration office and Swiss embassy in Malaysia. However, so call "entry visa" is just like the visa. That's why I have prepared many things to apply for such as my contract, health insurance, house contract, and admission from landlord allowing for both living in the department. And now they reject me because of insufficient income.

I will ask my colleague to call to the place for appealing. They only can say German. And before the formal approving of my family visa, I will ask my wife to stay at home...
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Old 15.09.2011, 21:52
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I am certainly sure Malaysian does not need visa to stay longer. However, they need entry visa before coming.
You appear to be very confused.

Anyhoo, if your circumstances have not changed an appeal is unlikely to succeed.
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Very sadly, I think he is right. The rules cannot be clearer on the Visa required before entry, and proof of suitable income will be required to obtain Visa. I wish you the best of luck. A timely reminder that YOU REALLY MUST do proper research before coming. Good luck.
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Re: Family visa was rejected because of not enough income monthly...i am going to app

As others have said, your wife does not need a visa to ENTER AS A TOURIST for 90 days (in 180) VISIT. For her to move here with you she needs the correct entry visa, ie. she is no longer entering as a TOURIST.

As a matter of fact, you have applied for this and she has already been rejected. So having her come for a visit at this point will look very suspicious.

Ask them what you need to fix in order for your appeal to be successful. If you can't prove you have more money then they already know about you are not likely to be successful.
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Thank you all!!

I am certainly sure Malaysian does not need visa to stay longer. However, they need entry visa before coming. I get this information from Swiss immigration office and Swiss embassy in Malaysia...
I do not think that this is correct. It is true that you need a visa before coming but your wife cannot stay longer than 90 days in Switzerland under a tourist visa. They monitor that here quite strictly. My friend had a B-visa which is valid for one year. Just 1 week before the expiration of her visa, she received a reminder letter that she will have to leave the country by a certain date.
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