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L permit extension or B conversion

Hi All,

I am currently staying in Zurich from the past 20 months and my L permit expires in January . My contract with my employer is till June 2012 .

Now my employer want to extend my permit for another 5-6 months.

Can anyone tell me what can be the options for me after January :

Can my L permit be extended beyond 24 months so that I can stay here till June 2012?

OR L to B conversion is the only option and my employer has to apply for a B permit only ? The chances of getting a B permit for a non-EU person is very minimal , that's why I want to now if there is a possibility of getting an L permit extension for the 3rd year also.

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Old 19.09.2011, 06:42
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Hi All,

I am currently staying in Zurich from the past 20 months and my L permit expires in January . My contract with my employer is till June 2012 .
This post only makes sense if you meant January 2012?

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Now my employer want to extend my permit for another 5-6 months.

Can anyone tell me what can be the options for me after January :

Can my L permit be extended beyond 24 months so that I can stay here till June 2012?

OR L to B conversion is the only option and my employer has to apply for a B permit only ? The chances of getting a B permit for a non-EU person is very minimal , that's why I want to now if there is a possibility of getting an L permit extension for the 3rd year also.

Thanks for your reply!!
Your employer obtained a permit based on a fixed term contract which they now want to extend. They must apply for the extension, not you. If successful the permit type you receive will be determined by the authorities.
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Thanks swissbob for your reply !!

I want to know if for a non EU person , an L permitt can extend beyond 24 months or the only option is B permit ?

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Old 20.09.2011, 06:18
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

It is possible but not usual.
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Thanks Swissbob for your answer.

I need some information on another thing also!¨

My current L permit is valid till 31st December 2010 and my employer is applying for my B permit next month . Now , say it gets rejected on 1st November , will I be asked to go before 31st december 2010 or I can still work till 31st Decmeber 2010 on my current L permit ??

Please reply back asap as I am looking for this information urgently !!
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Old 26.09.2011, 12:21
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Thanks Swissbob for your answer.

I need some information on another thing also!¨

My current L permit is valid till 31st December 2010 and my employer is applying for my B permit next month . Now , say it gets rejected on 1st November , will I be asked to go before 31st december 2010 or I can still work till 31st Decmeber 2010 on my current L permit ??

Please reply back asap as I am looking for this information urgently !!

you've already over stayed then?
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

oh sorry , please read the dates as 31st december 2011.

Apologies!!
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Hi
As far as my knowledge goes, even if your employer is applying for your L to B extension next month, it is meant for your stay after 2011 Dec.

But if your work permit(which is different from L or B permit) is ending before end of your Actual L permit date , and if the work permit is further not renewed by the canton, then you cannot work here, although you can stay. And in such a case you might have to return back. So, L /B permit is the resident permit, which allows you to stay here, whereas your work permit allows you to work here. Both may have different renewal dates and terms.
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Both residence and work permits are the same in Switzerland. If you have an L or B permit, it's called "Residence Permit" not work permit. If they allow you to work, this is listed in the "Observations" part like "avec activite".

As far as I know, if your work/residence permit application is rejected before 31st of December, you have to leave the country, but your employer will be the reason for your rejection. Because if the employer wants to have you, they can create reasons for the canton to give you a B permit.

The easiest way is: They create a job description which defines only you exactly and then they say they cannot find anyone who matches these requirements in CH or EU. Voila..!
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Thanks for your reply !!

So this means it is a foolish thing to apply for the L to B permitt early . I mean if my employer applies in November end then I may get an answer ( approval or rejection) by end of December and in either case I can stay here till 31st december ?

Really can't understand that how can applying for a visa extension ( L to B conversion in my case as I am already in the second year of L permit) affect your current permitt dates ?

Btw, I have another question ....that is can i change customer on L permit ? i.e if my current employer wants me to work for a different customer during the period my L permit is valid , can he do so OR the L permit is bound to both employer and customer too?
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Your L permit allows you to stay until 31st of december, that is granted and cannot be taken away from you.
My comment is on extension of your stay.
L permit should be binded to an employer (look at the back side it should write there) but not to a customer. As long as you are paid by that company you can do whatever they say as long as it is legal
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Old 27.09.2011, 09:41
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Your L permit allows you to stay until 31st of december, that is granted and cannot be taken away from you.
Incorrect. It can be cancelled at any time on the whim of the authorities.

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My comment is on extension of your stay.
L permit should be binded to an employer (look at the back side it should write there) but not to a customer. As long as you are paid by that company you can do whatever they say as long as it is legal
Not at all. A permit for a company that hires out bodies to other companies has additional restrictions and the permit is linked to the end client.
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Thanks Swissbob.....

Can you help me understand this scenario now ...I am very much confised. Let me put everything in simple terms now :-

I am working for an Indian company (X) and my customer is a Swiss company (Y) .
I came to work to switzerland in January 2010 and working through with the same employer (X) and the same customer (Y) and my current work permit expires on 31-dec-2011.

Now due to some reorg , my customer (Y) has decided to outsource their work to another company (Z) starting from 01-dec-2011. And the customer(Y) is also ending my employer's(X) contract on 30-nov-2011 now.

The new company (Z) couldn't find a suitable candidate in the market so they have approached my employer (X) for a sub contracting which is now a new contract between my employer (X) and the new company (Z) starting from 01-dec-2011 , but the end client remains the same as Y.

And now my employer is filing my B permit .

So , my list of questions is :-

1) does this means that my current permit ends on 30-nov-2011 as the current contract between my employer(X) and my current customer (Y) ends on 30-nov-2011 ??

2) if my B permit gets rejected , can I still work for the new customer (Z) ( the end client remains the same as company Y) till 31-dec-2011 on my current permit OR I have to leave the country in November itself ?

3) The new permit which I will get ( in case of an approval ) will be a B permit or a L permit again , as it's for a new customer ...although the end client remains the same ?

These are several questions related to a subcontracting scenario on which I couldn't fine much information on this forum.

Thanks everyone for your hep !!
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Old 27.09.2011, 12:46
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

@Sudoku You put everything in simple terms but looks rather more complicated than before

Anyways, my unreliable opinion is that you are here till 31st Dec 2011 which in normal circumstances will not have any implication irrespective of the 'you are mine game' happening between A to Z companies.

The best and most discreet way ahead for you is to ask company X to file for an extension or conversion. Also attach a letter from company Y that they have to retain you because of your unique skills/experience explaining the background. Ask the HR person to personally follow up with the authorities in Migrations Amt and Bern. It surely helps.

Wish you good luck, hopefully you get through..
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Anyways, my unreliable opinion is that you are here till 31st Dec 2011 which in normal circumstances will not have any implication irrespective of the 'you are mine game' happening between A to Z companies.
This is exactly what I am trying to say. The "whimp" of the authorities has nothing to do with it. As long as you are a "law abiding citizen" you are entitled to stay until the end of the year.

But the situation looks much more complex than the initial sight
Why don't you go and ask the commune?
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Old 27.09.2011, 14:15
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Incorrect. It can be cancelled at any time on the whim of the authorities.
Come oonnnnn, what is the whim of the authorities?
As long as you "behave" nobody touches you in this country.

I haven't seen any example of a person who was kicked out of the country before the end of the validity of the work permit.

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Not at all. A permit for a company that hires out bodies to other companies has additional restrictions and the permit is linked to the end client.
What I'm trying to say is:
All the restrictions on your work permit are already stated on the work permit. So if there is a restriction about employer/customer/whatever any other party, it's already displayed on the back of the Residence / Work Permit.
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

¨Thanks for your reply !!

I have checked the back of my Permit and it displays on my Employers's name in ANMERKUNGEN section and not my customer.

Does this means that my current permit is not bound to my customer?
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¨Thanks for your reply !!

I have checked the back of my Permit and it displays on my Employers's name in ANMERKUNGEN section and not my customer.

Does this means that my current permit is not bound to my customer?
I believe it's not, but I'm not a pro in outsourcing in CH. What I could advise is to go and talk to the commune to be sure. Don't be afraid, they are friendly people, they won't bite you and some of them might even speak English
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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Guys,

I need urgent advice now.

My HR says that my B permit application has been rejected by the Local Kanton itself based on the years of experience . I have around 6 years of experience and the Kanton says that it is too less to qualify for a B permit.

My current permit is valid till 8th Jan 2012 ( I will complete 2 years on L permit and I am non-EU) . I have my project till 31May 2012 .

Is there anything that can be done ? an appeal or something ? Can my complany request for the L extension now ?

I just need extension for around 5 more months only to finish my assignment .

Please suggest .

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Re: L permit extension or B conversion

Hi All,

I need help on this urgently . Can someone help me out please?
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