Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Permits/visas/government  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 09.11.2011, 18:13
taskalem's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 242
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 160 Times in 96 Posts
taskalem is considered knowledgeabletaskalem is considered knowledgeabletaskalem is considered knowledgeable
Re: Permit Status

Hi Radha,
This criminal record paper is normally asked in the first phase when you are giving your papers to them. Apparently either they misinformed you, or you overlooked that when you were reading the necessary documents list. Don't you know an attorney in India who can ask this document for you? Or anyone from your family? In some countries, your mother or father can ask for such kind of documents...

Looking from the positive side:
At least you have someone who confirmed your permit now.

Good luck.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 09.11.2011, 18:33
Radha's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 43
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Radha has no particular reputation at present
Re: Permit Status

Quote:
View Post
Apparently either they misinformed you, or you overlooked that when you were reading the necessary documents list.
Hi taskalem.. I have submitted that document with application but it's approx 2 years old because I have never gone to India thereafter, now they need something which is less than 3 months old.. I think she said to get some attorney here in CH can make it.. or does anyone think it must be from India?

Thanks
RR
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 09.11.2011, 19:09
miniMia's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: romandie
Posts: 9,975
Groaned at 101 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 9,106 Times in 4,522 Posts
miniMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond reputeminiMia has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Permit Status

Quote:
View Post
Hi guys.. it's me again and frustrated .. today i called up at immigration office regarding permit and the lady over there said that she would need another document to give the permit. The document should declare that I do not have any criminal record in India. I have not gone to India for past 2 years and really don’t know how to get it. Then this lady said that an attorney can make an affidavit for it. Does anyone know someone who can make it?

After that I would get the permit in next 3 weeks,....Why can't they ask for all documents in one go??

Thanks
RR
They did ask you for all the documents in one go. You gave them in invalid one.

Have you spoken to the India embassy? Perhaps they provide some sort of affidavit. Where were you living for the last 2 years? Did you provide a criminal report form that country too?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 09.11.2011, 22:41
checkoutmails's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 134
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 285 Times in 74 Posts
checkoutmails has earned some respectcheckoutmails has earned some respect
Re: Permit Status

Hi Radha
You can get a Police clearance certificate issued by the Indian Embassy at Bern. Reach out to them. I had a similar experience and i got from them.If they can verify your passport online then you should be able to get it in a week's time.

All the Best
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11.11.2011, 03:01
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Vaud
Posts: 22
Groaned at 6 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts
guppy has become a little unpopularguppy has become a little unpopular
Re: Permit Status

Quote:
View Post
that you are so confident about the answers but the people sitting there with access to all data/information, can't confirm me the status even when I show the original approval letter from BFM (Bern). They say it has not been decided yet, your kanton has to respond to our questions. When asked about timeline, the girl said that she don't know.. "it could also be next year" was the answer.. When I asked her the application status, I felt like I am asking for the permit from her ( as an individual) and she is not willing to give..

Thanks again
RR
Hi Radha

The point is so simple and its human nature too, if you show too much of anxiety then the people sitting there will make you more stressed up and increase your frustration. There is a technical term for that, that is "Sadism". They are very well in that hahahahha. I believe that you should relax whatever may be the situation you are in now! This is my humble opinion. In this way, you are more cool which helps to have a good health as every human-being deserves it and moreover it helps the situation. Lately i understood the people here do not like anybody who agitates as it is not seen positively here in Switzerland especially. As Taskalem said, you will surely get your permit and you do not need to leave the country for some days. I do not believe to have so much of frustration for this thing. You will surely have your permit as you have given your fingerprints.

Hope everything goes good for you.(please note, it is much different to say "Hope everything goes how you wish". Sometimes, what we wish might not be good for us.)

Take care
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 11.11.2011, 07:55
swisspea's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: From one side of lake Zurich t
Posts: 6,356
Groaned at 42 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 6,459 Times in 2,966 Posts
swisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Permit Status

Hi Radha,

Reading back through this thread, you have a conflict of information...you are confusing the process for residency permit (tied to your spouse, under renewal) with the process for getting a separate work permission (not granted automatically with an L dependent, but granted automatically with a B dependent).

What I understand is this:

- you have a residency permit as a non-eu dependent spouse.
- you have been here on an L permit for two years.
- towards the end of those two years you also applied for permission to work. This was approved at the canton level, was transferred to federal level, and is still 'in progress'.

Now your *residency* permit is doing the conversion from L to B - that is tied to your spouse - when you move from L to B the primary permit (your spouse) has to go through some extra hurdles to be given the B. This is where they are now asking for additional documentation (your police record). Maybe the rules have changed since you first arrived, or maybe the document is out of date and they must ask for a new one. The police record thing is more likely to do with your residency permit renewal (biometrics) than your work permit.

Either way, the approval for conversion from L to B is underway. The thing is, once your spouse has a "B" then you are entitled to work, and the process that you undertook up until now to get work permission, is not required, it's a different process, and should be very quick once the permit is sent through.

The fact that they also sent you to get the biometrics tells me that your spouse's permit from L to B has already been approved, and your new residency card will come through as a B. Now you hit a hurdle that the person who cross-matched all the paperwork can't send you your permit card until they have a criminal record document. So until you get that document to them, they can't process it.

This happened to us three times - when we first applied in Australia they asked for new scans/copies of all our birth certificates, marriage certificate etc, just a couple of days before approving our visa to come to Switzerland. It happened again when I applied for a work permission as a dependent spouse (asked for absolutely everything re-scanned and emailed, my employer nearly had a heart attack, but we did it on Saturday and the permission was given 4pm Monday afternoon), and it also happened when our latest renewal was done (biometrics) and one document was not properly signed (for one of our children) - so the form wasn't transmitted - they still did the biometrics, and our son's card arrived a week or two later than the others...

Until you get the paperwork in order, they can't proceed. The sooner you get those documents to them, the sooner you will get your permission.

If I was to look into a crystal ball this is what I think will happen....

1. You send in the declaration (with the help of the Indian embassy in Bern).
2. Your new residency card is posted out to you quite quickly (ours only took 2-3 weeks).
3. You take your new residency card to your employer and tell them that you now have the 'B' permit. They phone the 'Arbeitsamt' (for work permission) and the arbeitsamt tells them over the phone or sends a letter to confirm that you are now free to work in Switzerland.

You no longer need permission from Bern for work purposes, because in the meantime your permit has changed from L to B.

I will be curious to see if this how it turns out....
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 11.11.2011, 08:03
swisspea's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: From one side of lake Zurich t
Posts: 6,356
Groaned at 42 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 6,459 Times in 2,966 Posts
swisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Permit Status

Can I also point out that part of the delay is with your employer. They probably did not submit the paperwork very promptly, then were told your salary is not high enough (that comment about including the bonus within your salary) ... that's not the problem of the 'Arbeitsamt' - your employer could have phoned and checked the salary level before submitting to make sure it was going to be acceptable...

Did you get your criminal record document yet ? That should be very straightforward via the Indian embassy in Bern. If it takes time, then that's not the migration office's fault - that's you holding up the process.

Sorry to be a bit harsh, but I have to say all my dealings with the swiss Gemeinde, immigration office and work authorities have always been clear, straightforward, and everything happening exactly how you expect them to happen. The delay has always been on our side (trying to get paperwork together) or on the employer's side (same problem).

I am sure it will all progress very smoothly once you get your papers in order. Certainly they do not appreciate being hassled by people who do not actually understand the system, or are asking the wrong questions, that just wastes their time as they are following their procedures and every case is 'urgent'....
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 05.12.2011, 19:12
Radha's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 43
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Radha has no particular reputation at present
Re: Permit Status

Hi All

After a long wait.. I got the B-permit. Now feeling a bit relieved.. I just checked it & found that on the back of the permit it's written as ""Selbst. Erwerbstätigkeit ist bewilligungspflichtig".. what does it technically means?

Thanks.. RR
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 06.12.2011, 08:28
TonyBhoy's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Lenzburg
Posts: 597
Groaned at 15 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 283 Times in 155 Posts
TonyBhoy has an excellent reputationTonyBhoy has an excellent reputationTonyBhoy has an excellent reputationTonyBhoy has an excellent reputation
Re: Permit Status

Quote:
View Post
Hi All

After a long wait.. I got the B-permit. Now feeling a bit relieved.. I just checked it & found that on the back of the permit it's written as ""Selbst. Erwerbstätigkeit ist bewilligungspflichtig".. what does it technically means?

Thanks.. RR
Means being self employed requires a permission
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 06.12.2011, 09:50
Radha's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 43
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Radha has no particular reputation at present
Re: Permit Status

Thanks ! I know that when translated .

Though I have no intentions but does that means that I can change job if in case required? since it's not mentioned there (changing job needs approval).. how can I check that I am bound to my employer or can I do do job in another kanton? It is just to check the flexibility in my permit

Would appreciate your expert comments..

Cheers
RR
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 13.12.2011, 22:34
Newbie
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Buchs SG
Posts: 2
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
threeholeunderwear has no particular reputation at present
Re: Permit Status

RR means Reshma and Raj?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 13.12.2011, 23:17
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 21
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 10 Times in 5 Posts
Anuradha has no particular reputation at present
Re: Permit Status

Hi Radha,
I understand your situation as once we havebeen thru such things..
Some of your answers:
1.Whatever querries the canton is raising, I think your office shud provide the clarification/ answers, as canton give the permit to the company and not individual
2. In our case 2 months after the expiry of the visa, we got approval from Kanton, and the card after more month
3. In between this, you are entitled to stay and work in Swiss, since you have applied for a permit, but you cannot move outside.. In case of emergency you have to de-register and move.

What I found is that only in this situation, Swiss Govt is pretty lazy, and counts on applicant's nerves.

Lets hope for the best
Anuradha
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 13.12.2011, 23:22
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 21
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 10 Times in 5 Posts
Anuradha has no particular reputation at present
Re: Permit Status

Sorry!! I did nt see the page 2 of this post and cud see it only after submitting the reply...
But cannot delete the post now
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 15.12.2011, 03:30
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Kolkata
Posts: 4
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
MCS_NBF has no particular reputation at present
Re: Permit Status

Congrats ! Radha. I am still waiting for D type visa. Entry permit was approved on 20th September and file sent to federal migration office on 7th October for approval. Any idea how long will it take?
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 19.02.2012, 21:25
Alayna23's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: ZH-Affoltern
Posts: 68
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 42 Times in 9 Posts
Alayna23 is considered knowledgeableAlayna23 is considered knowledgeableAlayna23 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Permit Status

Quote:
View Post
It's a classical Swiss line

If you gave your biometric data, than it's guaranteed that your permit is approved. In maximum 2-3 weeks time, you will receive it.
The sheet you get from the Kreisboro with your biometric data collection appointment explicitly states that just because they are gathering your data does not mean you are guaranteed a permit.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Residence Permit Renewal Status maureenmoreton Permits/visas/government 2 26.07.2011 15:12
Current work permit status hello.santanu Permits/visas/government 9 07.04.2010 12:15
Permit extension status ? neel shelat Permits/visas/government 1 29.11.2009 10:27
Permit B status after seperation Mowvich Permits/visas/government 0 16.11.2009 15:03
Status of spouse permit fluffylily Permits/visas/government 20 09.07.2007 18:42


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:55.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0