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Just a thought on multiple nationalities and indefinite stay in Schengen

This just came to my mind the other day. It does not seem to be legal to me logically, but I could not find any counter argument to make it illegal either...

- Let's say a person has dual nationalities (both non EU) and two passports - one of each country where the person is a citizen of
- Let's say that both of these countries are on the visa "free" program for Schengen (i.e. by using either one of the passports, this person can stay in the Schengen zone for 90 days over a 180-day period)

Doesn't this mean that this person can be a tourist "forever" in the Schengen zone by doing the following:

- arrive on day 1 using passport A
- leave on day 90 using passport A (let's say fly to the UK for one night)
- arrive again on day 91 (now the new day 1) using passport B
- leave on day 180 (the new day 90) using passport B
- return again on day 181 using passport A (this is fine as the person has been out of the zone for 90 days with this passport)
and this goes on...

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Old 21.09.2011, 12:06
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Re: Just a thought on multiple nationalities and indefinite stay in Schengen

You should use your evil intelligence to conquer the world.
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Old 21.09.2011, 12:09
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Re: Just a thought on multiple nationalities and indefinite stay in Schengen

You should get some sleep.
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Re: Just a thought on multiple nationalities and indefinite stay in Schengen

It's illegal because the treaties dictate how long you can spend in Schengen, not your passport. (Otherwise why not just stay on in Schengen yourself, mail one passport home every three months and have somebody there mail you the other one back?)

Whether someone would get away with it or not is a different matter. Personally I wouldn't gamble on it - unless you really believe your two passports are not linked in anybody else's computer but yours?
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Re: Just a thought on multiple nationalities and indefinite stay in Schengen

I encourage you to do this. You know if you get caught, you may end up banned from the whole Schengen zone?

You do realise that those who create processes for the border guards might already have thought of this one?
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I encourage you to do this. You know if you get caught, you may end up banned from the whole Schengen zone?

You do realise that those who create processes for the border guards might already have thought of this one?
that's what I mean, when I said in my initial post that I don't think this is legal
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Whether someone would get away with it or not is a different matter. Personally I wouldn't gamble on it - unless you really believe your two passports are not linked in anybody else's computer but yours?
One's face and fingerprints might just be that link
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One's face and fingerprints might just be that link
From your link:

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The European Union Visa Information System (VIS) is a database containing information, including biometrics, on visa applications by Third Country Nationals requiring a visa to enter the Schengen group.
This makes sense; however, believe that we're talking about those who do not require a visa to enter the Schengen zone.
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that's what I mean, when I said in my initial post that I don't think this is legal
yes but what I'm suggesting is that they know the tricks people might get up to in order to try to play the system....which is not what you said in your post.

It's obviously not about you though as you seem to be a US citizen. Hopefully you did not vote for Bush, though
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It's obviously not about you though as you seem to be a US citizen.
yes, and unfortunately stuck with that TAX obligation

I want to become a Canadian! This way, I can work in the US under the special TN agreement (without having to worry about H1b visas in the US) and I won't have to pay tax on worldwide income! ok... maybe I'll try to look for a job there after my time in CH....
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This makes sense; however, believe that we're talking about those who do not require a visa to enter the Schengen zone.
Yeah, I mean it's not like those that do not require a visa ever have their passports scanned and the relevant information stored, is it...
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- arrive on day 1 using passport A
- leave on day 90 using passport B A (let's say fly to the UK for one night)
- arrive again on day 91 (now the new day 1) using passport B
- leave on day 180 (the new day 90) using passport B
- return again on day 181 using passport A (this is fine as the person has been out of the zone for 90 days with this passport)
and this goes on...

Thoughts?
Fixed that for you.
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