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Old 09.11.2011, 18:02
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Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

Hi,

I am in big confusion and need help,

I live in Geneva with residence B permit and was on Chomage and now its going to be finish soon. After all my hard work i did not got a fix job till now.
And the Chomage advised told me to enroll in hospice to get some financial help to pay my bills.

I want to know if I take help from hospice general will it be a problem for me in future to get my C permit? and what are the other disadvantage of taking help from the hospice?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

I am just surprise that no one has any reply on this...
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Old 23.11.2011, 08:42
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Re: Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

I for one don't know what Chomage is or Hospice General.
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Old 23.11.2011, 09:44
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Re: Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

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I for one don't know what Chomage is or Hospice General.
Chomage is French for unemployment benefits so I guess that's the RAV in German. I assume that the Hospice General is social aid of some sort.

I can't help with the original question though as I have no experience of either.
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Old 23.11.2011, 10:56
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Re: Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

I've never heard of the 'Hospice General', so I can't help you there...

Also it might help if you gave us a little more information... such as if you are EU or non-EU.

If you are EU, it seems that:

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The residence permit [B] will be renewed for another five years if the foreign national satisfies the requirements. First-time renewal of the permit can be limited to one year, however, if the holder has been involuntarily unemployed for more than twelve consecutive months.
Source: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...b_eu_efta.html
Not sure what counts as 'involuntarily unemployed', mind you... But I don't think that after the permit has been renewed for the one-year limit there would be a problem getting a C permit next, as this page says nothing about it: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/...c_eu_efta.html.



If you are non-EU, you'll have a problem with your B renewal, let alone a C permit:

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Once a permit [B] has been granted, it is normally renewed every year unless there are reasons against a renewal, such as criminal offences, dependence on social security or the labor market.
Source: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/...willigung.html

Hope that helps.

From my experience, my social workers have all taken the attitude that 'Let's just focus on getting you better (I'm on long-term sick leave, EU B Permit), and then find you a job... we'll worry about permit renewal if we get to the end of your permit and you're still off work.' No-one has ever said that there will be long-term consequences.
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Old 24.11.2011, 04:24
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Re: Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

Thanks vlh22.

I am non EU & already have my residence B permit which is valid till 2013 and then I m suppose to get C permit.

Do you think i will face any kind of problem at that time?
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Re: Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

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Thanks vlh22.

I am non EU & already have my residence B permit which is valid till 2013 and then I m suppose to get C permit.

Do you think i will face any kind of problem at that time?
Read the previous post again. Unfortunately, no job or otherwise financially secure (i.e. filthy rich) = no C permit.
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Old 24.11.2011, 10:22
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Re: Taking help from Hospice general is a problem?

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Thanks vlh22.

I am non EU & already have my residence B permit which is valid till 2013 and then I m suppose to get C permit.

Do you think i will face any kind of problem at that time?
All the information I have is in my post above... so reading that, yes, you may well have problems getting your C permit. But whether those problems are short term (i.e. you have to apply for another B permit and wait a few more years for your C), or permanent (i.e. your C isn't granted and your B is not renewed), I have no idea...

I would imagine it rather depends on your status at the time of application. As Tom has said, if you don't have a job and are not financially independant, you're not going to get a permit at all. If you do have a job, then it seems (to my not-very-knowledgable eyes) that you may have to resign yourself to another B permit for a few more years.

I worry that I've mislead you by my final paragraph:

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From my experience, my social workers have all taken the attitude that 'Let's just focus on getting you better (I'm on long-term sick leave, EU B Permit), and then find you a job... we'll worry about permit renewal if we get to the end of your permit and you're still off work.' No-one has ever said that there will be long-term consequences.
What I was trying to say is that the authorities are telling me to worry first about getting better, then about getting a job... and not to worry overmuch about the permit issue because it is not a problem until (for me) 2014. In other words, focus your energy on finding a job, then you will be secure of getting some kind of permit. B or C - in one sense, does it matter?

(Yes, I appreciate it matters in the long term but as someone who has no job, it's not the most important thing to worry about.)

The other factor (for me) is that I have a medical reason for being unemployed, and it seems that may be a mitigating factor if my permit expires and I'm still off work.
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