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Old 20.12.2011, 14:31
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Re: After 6 years my B-Permit renewal was declined...

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I got a renewal notice in the post. It was explicitly for a B permit. I filled it in and sent it back. 4 days later I received the C permit.
But the C Permit requires documents that are not required with a B permit. So how was this handled?
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Old 20.12.2011, 14:46
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But the C Permit requires documents that are not required with a B permit. So how was this handled?
I was not required to submit anything, not even my expired B permit. What documents would be required for a C permit?
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Old 20.12.2011, 15:27
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I was not required to submit anything, not even my expired B permit. What documents would be required for a C permit?
Police report stating no convictions.
Report from Geminde stating no debts or payment arrears.
Report from Geminde stating no social payments have been made.
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Re: After 6 years my B-Permit renewal was declined...

In 2 words: it depends....

The permits laws and regulations are federal, but they have cantonal implementation. Meaning, each canton interprets the law and applies it as they see fit. Even at cantonal level, there is no cookie cutter for getting your permit. The process will be influenced by where you ask it, who you are and who sponsors you. Typically, they can ask you for the betriebungs (debts register), for social contributions certificates, for a language exams, for police registers. It really depends on the person who inspects your files and how strict they are.

My own case: my (EU) country of origin has several bilateral agreements with CH, which entitles their nationals to get facilitated permits. When I got tho CH, I received a B for 5 years, while my German colleagues were getting L permits, because they had run out of quota for that year.

When it became time to get my C permit, I thought it would be very easy. Little was I to know it would take 3 months and several trips to that places I had been living before before I could use my C permit.... Basically, the person who checked my files realized I had recently arrived in Zurich and had changed Cantons and Gemeindes several times over the past 5 years. This caught their attention as being odd and decided to ask for all possible documents to make sure I was buona fide. So, I had to go back to all the Gemeindes I had been registered as ask for the betreibungs and social contributions, on top of the police registers. It took 3 months and several angry phone calls from my HR department (I traveled a lot for business by then, hence the urgency. Technically, I could not leave the country and was not even able to apply for visas as I had no valid permit of residence). No one bothered to check if I could speak German. Apparently, if I had not been shielded by the bilateral agreements, I might even had to leave CH.

At the same time I was going through all this madness, a friend who shares the same nationality than I do but with a more stable life, applied for a B permit and got a C on the mail, just like Traubert.

I am of course very happy for Traubert, but first thing it came into my mind when I read this was lucky b******d..
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Re: After 6 years my B-Permit renewal was declined...

I got my C-permit through the post this morning!

An early Christmas present!

I didn't ask for it either. The nice lady at the Gemeinde said I could have one when I went to renew my B.
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Re: After 6 years my B-Permit renewal was declined...

I applied for B-permit three months before (I am from non-EU country), and they haven't issued it to me yet. I think Swiss goverment become more and more slower on permits - I know last year I got it much faster.
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Re: After 6 years my B-Permit renewal was declined...

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Police report stating no convictions.
Report from Geminde stating no debts or payment arrears.
Report from Geminde stating no social payments have been made.
which are the social payments in ch?
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Old 28.12.2011, 16:49
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which are the social payments in ch?
Not sure of the German for it but it's basically social security / welfare payments.

I don't believe it includes AHV payouts but I've never claimed so have no idea.
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Report from Geminde stating no social payments have been made.
I went from eu-B to C last month in Oerlikon and I can confirm they needed all this and a confirmation of my employment and an extra 40chf. The C is valid for 5 years just as the B I applied for would have been and as a c can be refused renewal I'm not exactly sure what the benefits are. Still, it's nice to know your wanted :-)
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I went from eu-B to C last month in Oerlikon and I can confirm they needed all this and a confirmation of my employment and an extra 40chf. The C is valid for 5 years just as the B I applied for would have been and as a c can be refused renewal I'm not exactly sure what the benefits are. Still, it's nice to know your wanted :-)
The benefits of having a C versus an EU-B are very minor (in some Cantons and Gemeinden, you can vote on local issues with a C, and you can also legally acquire firearms). For non-EU, a C makes a hell of a difference over a B.

If your taxes were previously withheld and you got a C, you will have more paperwork come tax time.

In principle, a C can only be refused renewal in case of circumstances specified in the law (long-term dependence on welfare, criminal conviction and/or danger to Switzerland's security).
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The benefits of having a C versus an EU-B are very minor (in some Cantons and Gemeinden, you can vote on local issues with a C, and you can also legally acquire firearms). For non-EU, a C makes a hell of a difference over a B.

If your taxes were previously withheld and you got a C, you will have more paperwork come tax time.

In principle, a C can only be refused renewal in case of circumstances specified in the law (long-term dependence on welfare, criminal conviction and/or danger to Switzerland's security).
welfare is also the unemployment insurance in the past?
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welfare is also the unemployment insurance in the past?
No. Welfare is given you by the state when you don't have any means to support yourself. Your savings have to be less than 5000CHF, and you have to prove you don't have a pot of gold hidden somewhere. It works as a loan - when you find job, you have to pay back what you received.

As its own name says, the unemployment money is an insurance you contribute to while you are working. It is not considered a debt or loan.
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Re: After 6 years my B-Permit renewal was declined...

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I got a renewal notice in the post. It was explicitly for a B permit. I filled it in and sent it back. 4 days later I received the C permit.
Could it not have been inadvertently issued. The State Offices in CH makes
many a slip.
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