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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

If anyone has any information (official or unofficial) regarding the date the new naturalization law will go into effect, please post it here! The latest I've heard was 2016-2017. I'm checking the SEM website regularly, but it's been radio silence from them for the past year or so.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

Hi...Does that mean after 8 years it's possible to apply for citizenship?
I've been here since 2007 and have C pass
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Old 10.05.2015, 00:43
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

No, under the new law it's 10 years required. With a C permit. But it's a question as to when the new law will go into effect. Until it does, the old system is still valid (12 years residency).
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If anyone has any information (official or unofficial) regarding the date the new naturalization law will go into effect, please post it here! The latest I've heard was 2016-2017. I'm checking the SEM website regularly, but it's been radio silence from them for the past year or so.
There's nothing further on the date so far so no point in checking too often. I'm sure it'll be in the news when they do decide the date, but my understanding is that many of the cantons have to bring their own regulations into harmony with the new law before it can be implemented. These I assume have to be voted on which is why they can't give a definite date yet. For example one of the new rules is that cantonal residency requirements will be set between 2 and 5 years maximum, but as you can see from this list many have 6 years as a requirement and Niderwalden is as high as 12 years.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tzfristen.html

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Hi...Does that mean after 8 years it's possible to apply for citizenship?
I've been here since 2007 and have C pass
Now 10 will be the minimum you need. That's 2 years shorter than currently required.

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Old 10.05.2015, 15:04
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

Yes, Medea - it will be a rat's nest to harmonize the cantonal regulations. Some cantons are getting a head start on this already. The Ober-Überhaupt of Basel immigration/Einbürgerung told me to keep my eye on the process, as no one knows when it will suddenly emerge from the SEM for implementation.

(For context - I'm aiming to squeeze through under the line as one of the last to fall under the old regulation. My 12 years are up in October 2016. If I can get my application in under the old law, I still have a chance. However, if the new law goes into effect even a week earlier, I'm screwed.)
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Old 10.05.2015, 18:25
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

Ok, I just read the Decision of the Parliament dated 20.06.2014, and, according to Articles 20 and 12, the spouses of the Swiss will have to either work or study to obtain citizenship.
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Ok, I just read the Decision of the Parliament dated 20.06.2014, and, according to Articles 20 and 12, the spouses of the Swiss will have to either work or study to obtain citizenship.
As you say, one of the criteria for judging integration that will be applied under the new law is an assessment of the applicant's "participation in economic life" and/or his/her pursuit of education/training. I don't think it has been clearly laid out exactly how this will be assessed, but you can get some idea of what the authorities had in mind when they proposed the inclusion of this provision in the bill by reading section 1.2.2.6 of the "Message from the Federal Council" that is available here:

https://www.admin.ch/opc/it/classifi...0/history.html

What I suspect is that they don't mean that a non-working spouse would be ineligible for citizenship, but rather this provision gives the authorities scope to turn down someone who is not a member of a self-supporting household (e.g., an able-bodied, working-age, unemployed person receiving public assistance and making no effort to pursue training or find work ... I'm not sure how many such applications they get, but I imagine it's the sort of case they would love to have the legal basis to reject!).

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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

In some cantons one has to repay all social help received before applying.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

Hello

Regarding people with CDL, maybe there is still hope!! I hope so
http://www.staffcoordinatingcouncil....ationality-law
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

Consultation starts for the implementation rule for the new nationality law:

https://www.admin.ch/gov/fr/accueil/...-id-58383.html

Main points:

Language requirements B1 spoken, A2 written.

No criminal record, no social aid.

All fees payable in advance.

Applicants will have to sign a declaration of loyalty to the values and democratic order of Switzerland.

Consultation goes until 19 November.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

It wasn't clear to me from the various newspaper articles or the press release: Will the new regs be the Swiss-wide minimum, that is, will the cantons be able to set the bar higher?

For instance, SZ currently requires B1 written/ B2 spoken, which is more than this federal proposal requires.

And of course there is the issue of proving 'successful integration' which means whatever the local committee wishes it to mean in any individual case - at present there is no standard, applicants are often judged very differently. I can't see the cantons/ communes willingly giving up their local decision-making ability.

Will be interesting to see how all this plays out...
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

Full text of the draft implementing rule:

http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/dam/data/bf...gerrecht-f.PDF

http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/dam/data/bf...rgerrech-d.PDF

Integration (art. 2) is defined as:

a. Having basic knowledge of Swiss geography, history, society and political system;
b. Participating in the social and cultural life of the Swiss population;
c. Maintaining contacts with Swiss people.
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

Language requirements for naturalisation featured on RTS news today:

http://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/vide...ion?id=7019149

UDC says it's not enough, PS says it's too much.
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New Citizenship Law

Hi,

anybody knows when the new Citizenship law will be in force.

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Re: New Citizenship Law

Nothing listed.
https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/stats/in-force/index.html
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Re: New Citizenship Law

Late 2016/early 2017 seems to be the most mentioned possibility. Depends on how quickly the cantons have got their residency requirements legislation changed to come into line with the new requirements of between 2 and 5 years. There are a few who require longer at the moment and they have to change their cantonal laws to come into line with the new Federal one.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tzfristen.html
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Re: New Citizenship Law

It is now in the Council of States.
http://www.parlament.ch/d/suche/Seit...ch_id=20080432
which may debate it this autumn
http://www.parlament.ch/d/sessionen/...hs-2015-sr.pdf
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Depends on how quickly the cantons have got their residency requirements legislation changed to come into line with the new requirements of between 2 and 5 years. There are a few who require longer at the moment and they have to change their cantonal laws to come into line with the new Federal one.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...tzfristen.html
A few? I make it 7:
5 (TG, SO, NW, GR and GL) require 6 years and have to reduce that by at least 1 year! SG requires 8 years, so at least 3 have to be chopped off there.
UR require a ridiculous 10 years, which will have to be at least halved!

I don't know whether the changes will increase or decrease the numbers of naturalizations. Hundreds of thousands of foreign residents already qualify for naturalization under the present system, but don't opt for it as they already have almost all of the benefits of a Swiss passport on their C-permit in any case! The process before and after the changes, whenever they come into effect, remain lengthy, bureaucratic, expensive and in most cases unnecessary.

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Hello

Regarding people with CDL, maybe there is still hope!! I hope so
http://www.staffcoordinatingcouncil....ationality-law
Does not look like
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Re: Swiss Citizenship after 8 years? [Now 10 years]

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http://home.web.cern.ch/cern-people/...ss-nationality
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