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Question: Swiss girl A marries American boy B in the United States and remains in the USA as a resident.

Is there any benefit in reporting this marriage to the Swiss government? I read somewhere that Switzerland prefers if it is reported, but is there really any penalty for not doing so?

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Hi Jdeere765

I'd register my marriage here in CH to give my kids more options later in life. CH is a tax haven (25% (or more if you're earning really well in the States and +-10% in CH). Perhaps you could move your financial centre to CH where tax is lower and keep your operations in the US where costs are lower?

I think it's a good idea to be self sufficient as much as possible - Good on you if you're hooked up to your own generator etc. I hope to do the same thing one day. I'm pretty sure if you get a farm house in the middle of nowhere in CH you could set up something similar, too. Many people grow their own veges and gather berries in the forests too.

Good luck with your decision

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Old 24.02.2012, 16:43
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I think it's a good idea to be self sufficient as much as possible - Good on you if you're hooked up to your own generator etc. I hope to do the same thing one day. I'm pretty sure if you get a farm house in the middle of nowhere in CH you could set up something similar, too. Many people grow their own veges and gather berries in the forests too.


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Your a damn terrorist, and I am reporting you. No fly list for you.
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With the passing of NDAA I would do everthing possible to keep the CH door open. You never know, one day you walk into starbucks and pay cash for your grande non fat late the next day your in some secret prison in god knows what country where you will be spending the next 30 years.
I know it sounds crazy, but its there on paper. And yes, according to the FBI paying cash for coffee is enough for them to "suspect" you as a terrorist. And the fact that you live off the grid, you might as well be the next Bin Laden as far as the DHS is concerned. God help you if you have more than 5 days supply of food in your house.

Yes, I would get registered in CH.
Thanks.

You know, I just asked a simple question thinking that the people on this forum would be reasonable and give me a simple answer. Instead, I received reply after reply with snide, negative, arrogant and outright disrespectful remarks. I'll try not to let these replies reinforce the idea that Swiss residents are arrogant and anti-American. The people in this forum do not know that my wife was with me when I wrote the original post, and that she too was concerned about possible tax or other legal ramifications. You people do not, nor should, know the inner workings of our marital decisions. Frankly, it's nobody's g**da*ned business where we choose to live and start our family.

With that said, California (or anyone who has knowledge or is otherwise interested in helping resolve the question), if a Swiss citizen does not report the marriage to their consulate, is it safe to say that there won't be any fines imposed on them when they return to visit their relatives (or if it is ever disclosed at a later time)?

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Hi Jdeere765

I'd register my marriage here in CH to give my kids more options later in life. CH is a tax haven (25% (or more if you're earning really well in the States and +-10% in CH). Perhaps you could move your financial centre to CH where tax is lower and keep your operations in the US where costs are lower?

I think it's a good idea to be self sufficient as much as possible - Good on you if you're hooked up to your own generator etc. I hope to do the same thing one day. I'm pretty sure if you get a farm house in the middle of nowhere in CH you could set up something similar, too. Many people grow their own veges and gather berries in the forests too.

Good luck with your decision

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Thanks. CH is not an option when you own a large house and 50 acres of property (under which is a never ending supply of natural gas that powers an electrical generator) outright, without a mortgage, and have a separate business that grosses a high income. That would never be possible for us in Switzerland. Never. It would be starting from scratch in a world where the cost of living is 10 times what it is here. The United States has enough tax deductions and credits for those whose business generates them a large enough income and invest properly for taxes to not be a problem.
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The United States has enough tax deductions and credits for those whose business generates them a large enough income and invest properly for taxes to not be a problem.
But apparently not enough to hire a lawyer
Talk to a lawyer specialized in the swiss family law and your questions will be resolved. Do I know any? No. Will I find any for you? Yeah right.....
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if a Swiss citizen does not report the marriage to their consulate, is it safe to say that there won't be any fines imposed on them when they return to visit their relatives (or if it is ever disclosed at a later time)?
Yes, it's no problem, and not even necessary to do it in order for your kids to get Swiss citizenship, it is enough that their mother is Swiss, married or not makes no difference.

Registering the marriage is only of possible benefit to you, not your wife or children.

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Old 24.02.2012, 20:58
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....I received reply after reply with snide, negative, arrogant and outright disrespectful remarks. I'll try not to let these replies reinforce the idea that Swiss residents are arrogant.
Given your attitude displayed so far, sounds like you'd fit in rather well here.
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Old 24.02.2012, 23:32
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Question: Swiss girl A marries American boy B in the United States and remains in the USA as a resident.

Is there any benefit in reporting this marriage to the Swiss government? I read somewhere that Switzerland prefers if it is reported, but is there really any penalty for not doing so?

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You don't 'report' a marriage. You register a marriage.

But you do report a crime...
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Thanks. CH is not an option when you own a large house and 50 acres of property (under which is a never ending supply of natural gas that powers an electrical generator) outright, without a mortgage, and have a separate business that grosses a high income. That would never be possible for us in Switzerland. Never. It would be starting from scratch in a world where the cost of living is 10 times what it is here. The United States has enough tax deductions and credits for those whose business generates them a large enough income and invest properly for taxes to not be a problem.
Life isn't all about material possessions you know. And the cost of living is not ten times higher here than in the US on an income relative basis. You can't translate everything to dollars at the current exchange rate to get a good idea of the cost of living. Mouthing off about how wealthy you are and disparaging the benefits of Switzerland will win you no friends on a forum full of people who have mostly made a conscious decision to live here rather than somewhere else.
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You never know, one day you walk into starbucks and pay cash for your grande non fat late the next day your in some secret prison in god knows what country where you will be spending the next 30 years.
I know it sounds crazy, but its there on paper. And yes, according to the FBI paying cash for coffee is enough for them to "suspect" you as a terrorist.
You're a lunatic

OP - as others have said.....why not? There are no penalties for doing so and it maybe makes life easier for you or more likely, for your children, in the future. Seems a little short-sighted if you choose not to, I think
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Your a damn terrorist, and I am reporting you. No fly list for you.
With my gardening skills you wouldn't be far wrong!

Have you been spying on my sorry looking rhubarb plant??

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no penalties + mega benefits for your kids = ...
1 + 1 = ...



JDeere 765, You posed a question and in my opinion got d@mn good answers. On a forum like this where many contributors are Expats and some are natives, you should expect some sage advice and opinions to go along with it. Free speech and all that .

The decision is yours and I hope it works out well for you and your family.
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Old 25.02.2012, 13:34
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Thanks, and I know. But dont shoot the messenger. Everything I said is in fact a law or on file. But am I a lunatic for thinking that one day they may actually do something like this to ordinary people? First define ordinary, second if they didn't plan to do this then why bother making a law that goes completely against our constitution and everything we stand for as a nation?
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Life isn't all about material possessions you know. And the cost of living is not ten times higher here than in the US on an income relative basis. You can't translate everything to dollars at the current exchange rate to get a good idea of the cost of living. Mouthing off about how wealthy you are and disparaging the benefits of Switzerland will win you no friends on a forum full of people who have mostly made a conscious decision to live here rather than somewhere else.
I'm not "mouthing off" about anything. I was actually trying to explain to these people why someone would make a decision to stay in the United States. Life is not about material possessions, but we're not about to give up an advantageous position for...what, exactly? I never said Switzerland was a bad place to live, it's just not for us, not right now. To construct that as "disparaging the benefits of Switzerland" to those who have chosen to move to Switzerland is, at best, illogical and at worst dishonest. I'm sorry if you or anyone else misconstrued that message. I'm also very sorry that a simple question about marriage registration requirements devolved into this cesspool of a thread. We may yet choose to register our marriage with the Swiss government, as it can be seen through these vicious posts (and independent research) that there is no cost or penalty.
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With my gardening skills you wouldn't be far wrong!

Have you been spying on my sorry looking rhubarb plant??

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no penalties + mega benefits for your kids = ...
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JDeere 765, You posed a question and in my opinion got d@mn good answers. On a forum like this where many contributors are Expats and some are natives, you should expect some sage advice and opinions to go along with it. Free speech and all that .

The decision is yours and I hope it works out well for you and your family.
All the best

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Thanks. We probably will register the marriage seeing as there is no penalty.
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I'm also very sorry that a simple question about marriage registration requirements devolved into this cesspool of a thread.
Welcome to the Internet. 50 acres is hard to give up only to come here and live in a rat cage sized apartment. If I were in your shoes I would totally stay there too, but like I said earlier keep the CH door open. You never know what curveball comes next.
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I were in your shoes I would totally stay there too, but like I said earlier keep the CH door open. You never know what curveball comes next.
You know, that is so true. We plan on sending the registration paperwork in on Monday.
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See that wasn't so bad, was it?
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QUOTE It's entirely up to you.

If your children have the choice and opportunity to work and travel throughout Europe without visa problems in the distant future, that's also up to you. QUOTE


You just never know what the future could hold. I say the more doors that are open and available, the better. What a great opportunity--on both continents. You are sitting very pretty, as we say in America.

Don't let the opportunity slip away, even though your eyes do not see a need or desire today.

Good luck in your marriage!

Did I mention that I am totally willing to marry a Swiss so he can have access to America as long as I can have access to his fabulous country as well???

Just keeping my option open.
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Glad to hear that you are keeping options open, Jdeere. As others have said, you never know where the winds of fate will blow...


(Grandpa cut ties with the old country the minute he stepped on Ellis Island. With the American Dream in his sights, he saw no reason to register my father as a Swedish citizen - nor did my father see any reason to claim it. Made sense at the time, but all these decades later... d*amn, EU citizenship would have made life a whole lot easier.)
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