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B Permit renewal declined - what now?

Hi all,

After 3.5 years in CH, it has taken 4 months for the cantonal authorities to let me know that they will not be renewing my B permit. I'm a South African, so Its super difficult to get a permit here.

My situation is quite complicated, so here are some questions...

I am working temporarily, but until end of May, after which I do not have a job yet. I finished the job I came over for at the end of 2011 - one month after I submitted my renewal application.
If I do decide to give up the fight (they have told me I have the right to appeal the decision)and go home, I have no idea what admin nightmares lie in wait for me....

What do I do with my car lease? I am 9 months into a 36 month lease.
My apartment?
Does the instruction from the Authorities to leave the country make cancellations and penalties eaiser?
What happens with my Social Security and Pension - can I take it to SA?

I have no idea where to start or what to expect.

Any help or advice is greatly appreciated!
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Old 16.03.2012, 12:59
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Good Day,

Sorry to hear about your B-permit issue. Before you plan to exit you will have to cancel all subscriptions (eg, mobile, phone, internet, cable, insurance etc etc....)

For car leasing you can return the vehicle back to the Garage. Its not a complicated process. But you will have to pay the depreciation value depending upon the vehicle (maybe between 2000 to 5000 CHF).

Hoping you have a rental apartment, you will to give the landlord the contract termination atleast with three months notice period. If its on mortgage, then can be a bit complicated with bank and reselling.

You are entitled to claim AHV & BVG acquisitions.. The HR in your company can guide you to the relevant office for this.

Hope this suffice your query....

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Old 16.03.2012, 13:05
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Re: B Permit renewal declined - what now?

So sorry for your 'loss'! We live in fear every year around permit renewal time even though my hubby has a 'permanent' job.

We are from SA as well, that is why I say 'loss', getting out of SA is very difficult and then having to go back after 3.5 years of safe, clean living here, would break my heart!

I really hope and pray you find a job before you have to leave!
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Re: B Permit renewal declined - what now?

I'm really sorry to hear what happened !!
I hope you can find an understanding with immigration office that you may need a bit more time to leave the country due to car lease etc....

And please dont forget to show your middle finger to Custom Polices just before exiting Switzerland !!
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I'm really sorry to hear what happened !!
I hope you can find an understanding with immigration office that you may need a bit more time to leave the country due to car lease etc....

And please dont forget to show your middle finger to Custom Polices just before exiting Switzerland !!
Sorry? Why?
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What do I do with my car lease? I am 9 months into a 36 month lease.
Sorry to hear they didn't renew, it's a pisser. I hope you do ok.

I do have to ask though, why would anyone sign up for a lease when the risk of not getting a renewed permit is higher than the norm? ie, non-eu, contracting maybe, flighty jobs etc etc?
I see a lot of people post about trying to get out of leases for cars.
Apartments,fair enough, we have to live somewhere, but a car? What's wrong with buying a cheap one?

I'm in no way having a dig at the OP by the way, just curious.

As I said, I wish you luck.
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Re: B Permit renewal declined - what now?

The magic word is Lawyer.
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The magic word is Lawyer.

LOL the op doesn't have a full time job, on what grounds are they entitled to a permit??

no offence op
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Re: B Permit renewal declined - what now?

Well what Rudi could maybe do (and an immigration lawyer could point out chances) is to enroll in a language course or something, so in case he does speak already perfectly French he could learn German or Schwytzerdütsch for real, increasing in this way chances to get hired.

A problem could be finances (as with a Student's permit one cannot work much), but maybe he could take a loan at least for a couple of months so he gets his things done until then and can still look for a job in the meantime, maybe also in France.
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Hi all,

What do I do with my car lease? I am 9 months into a 36 month lease.
My apartment?
Hi RudiJD,

I'm sorry to hear about your problems, but one less thing to worry about is the apartment. Once you know you're leaving for sure, you need to contact your gérance and give notice. If you have to leave before your notice period is up, you can advertise the apartment yourself and find 'suitable' people to take over the lease.

If you want details, PM me and I'll go through it with you (this happened to me once).

Oh, and I'm looking for an apartment right now. The availability is really bad, showing just how easy it would be for you to re-let!

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Re: B Permit renewal declined - what now?

Sorry, but I don't see why someone should be staying on here if they no longer fulfil the conditions that they were admitted for. I have no problem with foreigners coming here to do a job, on the contrary, I believe that the Swiss economy benefits from the influx of skills and experience. But I do not see why they should expect to be able to stay on once the task for which they have been contracted for has finished.

I realise that may not be a very popular view here and no, I am not a SVP supporter (just in case anyone was wondering), I am however in favour of a reasonably controlled immigration policy.

If the OP has finished what they came to do then I guess it is time to move on. I hope that you enjoyed your stay here in Switzerland, that you were made to feel welcome, valued and appreciated. I hope that you will take with you some unforgettable memories and I wish you all the very best in your search for a new challenge (If it is here, then good for you, if elsewhere, good luck all the same).
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Re: B Permit renewal declined - what now?

How very helpful. I'm sure the OP got the same spiel from the immigration office.
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Rudi, I'm sorry to hear about your permit situation, hope you can sort out the contract issues with minimum hassle - and I wish you all the best.


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Sorry, but I don't see why someone should be staying on here if they no longer fulfil the conditions that they were admitted for. I have no problem with foreigners coming here to do a job, on the contrary, I believe that the Swiss economy benefits from the influx of skills and experience. But I do not see why they should expect to be able to stay on once the task for which they have been contracted for has finished.
Snoopy brings up an interesting point, one that reflects the prevailing public mood, and one that all non-EU folk who come here on work permits should take to heart.

We non-EU folk should not get seduced into thinking of Switzerland as a permanent option; we are here because we provide something that Switzerland needs, but we should not loose sight of the fact that our hosts view our stay as strictly temporary. Unlike EU immigrants, we have no right to remain here. Our permits can be pulled once we are no longer viewed as an economic asset. It matters not that we have contributed much to Swiss society in the past, the only factor under consideration is what we are contributing now and in the immediate future.

We live in an odd no-man's land; in a society where stability is assumed and built into so many aspects of life, we don't have the security that Swiss or EU folks do. We need to keep this basic instability in mind when entering into contracts, purchasing property, planning children's education, making career decisions, when investing, or when considering any form of putting down roots in Switzerland - and always have an exit plan.

We should enjoy the adventure, hopefully our time here will be pleasant - but always keep in mind that it is temporary. Travel light, make no ties that cannot be cut quickly.

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I sincerely wish you all the best, Rudi.
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Old 18.03.2012, 15:59
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How very helpful. I'm sure the OP got the same spiel from the immigration office.
What? I'm not allowed an opinion? I wasn't intending to be helpful, I was expressing a view, or is that also now a breach of the t&c's?
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Rudi, I'm sorry to hear about your permit situation, hope you can sort out the contract issues with minimum hassle - and I wish you all the best.




Snoopy brings up an interesting point, one that reflects the prevailing public mood, and one that all non-EU folk who come here on work permits should take to heart.

We non-EU folk should not get seduced into thinking of Switzerland as a permanent option; we are here because we provide something that Switzerland needs, but we should not loose sight of the fact that our hosts view our stay as strictly temporary. Unlike EU immigrants, we have no right to remain here. Our permits can be pulled once we are no longer viewed as an economic asset. It matters not that we have contributed much to Swiss society in the past, the only factor under consideration is what we are contributing now and in the immediate future.

We live in an odd no-man's land; in a society where stability is assumed and built into so many aspects of life, we don't have the security that Swiss or EU folks do. We need to keep this basic instability in mind when entering into contracts, purchasing property, planning children's education, making career decisions, when investing, or when considering any form of putting down roots in Switzerland - and always have an exit plan.

We should enjoy the adventure, hopefully our time here will be pleasant - but always keep in mind that it is temporary. Travel light, make no ties that cannot be cut quickly.

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I sincerely wish you all the best, Rudi.
Great post and it is probably worth making it a sticky.
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Great post and it is probably worth making it a sticky.
I agree, and I'm reminded of this every time we submit our forms to renew our non-EU B permits (still renewing annually after five years). It's very easy to think that we will always have a choice when it comes to staying or going, but it's just not the case. For better or worse, it's how it is.
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I agree, and I'm reminded of this every time we submit our forms to renew our non-EU B permits (still renewing annually after five years). It's very easy to think that we will always have a choice when it comes to staying or going, but it's just not the case. For better or worse, it's how it is.
My husband has a 'permanent' position and we still go through a flat panic every year at renewal time! I almost did not make it through the 'L' to 'B' conversion process I tell you! My nerves were shot!
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Sorry, but I don't see why someone should be staying on here if they no longer fulfil the conditions that they were admitted for. I have no problem with foreigners coming here to do a job, on the contrary, I believe that the Swiss economy benefits from the influx of skills and experience. But I do not see why they should expect to be able to stay on once the task for which they have been contracted for has finished.

I realise that may not be a very popular view here and no, I am not a SVP supporter (just in case anyone was wondering), I am however in favour of a reasonably controlled immigration policy.

If the OP has finished what they came to do then I guess it is time to move on. I hope that you enjoyed your stay here in Switzerland, that you were made to feel welcome, valued and appreciated. I hope that you will take with you some unforgettable memories and I wish you all the very best in your search for a new challenge (If it is here, then good for you, if elsewhere, good luck all the same).
Because he was not allowed to receive unemployment benefits even after 3,5 years of working, for the rest I agree what you wrote above..
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Re: B Permit renewal declined - what now?

I think it is easy to be glib about another persons situation when you yourself enjoy a far better situation. I came here to do a specific job and that ended 18 months ago and yet I am still here because I have an EU B permit.

Snoppy's post whilst technically correct to a point (only applies to no EU nationals) lacked any compassion and IMHO is a little condescending. He no doubt has a C permit or even a Swiss citizen.

"I hope that you enjoyed your stay here in Switzerland, that you were made to feel welcome, valued and appreciated." .. I mean come on.
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Snoppy's post whilst technically correct to a point (only applies to no EU nationals) lacked any compassion and IMHO is a little condescending. He no doubt has a C permit or even a Swiss citizen.
I am a Swiss citizen and I have been an expat. I always knew that one day I would be coming back home. Sorry if you feel I am glib and insensitive, but in general expats always have at the back their mind the knowledge that someday they may have to go back home.

As for me hoping that the OP had a good time here. Why not? I have truly fond memories of my stay overseas and sure, sometimes I miss it, but well here I am...
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