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Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

Hello everyone,

I hope this is not a repeated thread, but I need advice on the following please:

I intend to apply for Swiss naturalization based on my Swiss grandmother's nationality. I have all the documents needed and a copy of the application form. My question is regarding the timing of my application. At the current time, I have visited Switzerland once for a period of two weeks for work and to reconnect with my grandmothers cousins and become better acquainted with the country.

I have family there and strong connections with the Swiss Embassy and Swiss businesses and organizations for my work. I speak a little bit of French and I'm working on improving my French language skills.

My questions are:

1. Should I apply now or wait till I have visited Switzerland more often and improved my French?
2. If I apply now and am not granted naturalization, can I reapply in the future?
3. Is there any way to download the application form online or do is it have to be filled manually?

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1. I recommend visiting at least once more, making at least 2 visits within the year before your application. The more visits, the better, but fewer visits could be offset by an impressive familiarity with all things Swiss, and superior language skills.
2. I don't know if they allow re-application after an initial rejection, but I seem to recall something about the decision being final. Maybe somebody else can confirm for sure one way or the other.
3. I had to fill mine out manually -- never saw an electronic form that could be filled in and then printed. Some of the content I supplied on separate sheets of paper, however, because I needed more space than was allowed on the form. They were fine with that.
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

Thanks a lot, this is very helpful. I will try to visit one more time to improve my chances. I hope you don't mind answering a couple of more questions:

1. At what point in the process did you do the interview and was only a small part of it in an official Swiss language, or the whole thing?

2. Did you go through a facilitated naturalization process or a simplified one, and what is the difference?

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1. At what point in the process did you do the interview and was only a small part of it in an official Swiss language, or the whole thing?

2. Did you go through a facilitated naturalization process or a simplified one, and what is the difference?
1. Really, there are only 3 steps in the process: a) gather all the necessary documents, paying the necessary fees; b) do the interview, handing over the documentation and another (big) fee; c) wait.
How much language depends on the interviewer and his/her impression of your language skills in the first place. We never did a language 'test' at my interview, I assume because throughout the interview I was naming Swiss places and institutions, and I was pronouncing them all in German (when I asked why we weren't going to speak German, she said, "I can already tell you can speak German"). Others have mentioned a a conversation ranging from just a few to 10 or 15 minutes.

2. I think they are one and the same (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!).
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

Again, thanks for the info. It's great to talk to someone who's been through the process. So what I understand from this is that the interview happens at the beginning, when you hand over the documents? What I think my plan of action will be is as follows:

1. Visit at least one more time.
2. Brush up on my French.
3. Learn even more about Switzerland.

And then go for it .
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

And one last question if I may. I am moving to the US from my native Jordan to do a degree in the fall. Does it make a difference if I apply from here or there?
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Again, thanks for the info. It's great to talk to someone who's been through the process. So what I understand from this is that the interview happens at the beginning, when you hand over the documents?...
Okay, but I think of it as the middle, since it took me months to collect all the necessary documents in all the proper forms.

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...What I think my plan of action will be is as follows:

1. Visit at least one more time.
2. Brush up on my French.
3. Learn even more about Switzerland.

And then go for it .
If that won't work, nothing will.

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And one last question if I may. I am moving to the US from my native Jordan to do a degree in the fall. Does it make a difference if I apply from here or there?
It shouldn't make a difference, though it adds a layer of complexity. If you submit your application and do your interview with a Swiss representative in Jordan, the only possible 'glitch' I can foresee would simply be their not expecting to deal with US applicants in Jordan, but they should be able to handle it.

BTW, I recommend reading this whole thread. It's chock full of useful tips.
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

You've been a great deal of help. Thanks again.
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

The simple fact that your Grandmother is Swiss really isn't going to help you. Check out this fact sheet. http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/...re/natabu.html

B. Loss of Swiss Citizenship by Law
Art. 8a

1. A minor loses Swiss citizenship if he/she is adopted by an alien and acquires the nationality of the adoptive parent or already has it at the time of adoption
2. Swiss citizenship is not lost if a parent-child relationship to a Swiss parent is created through the adoption or continues after the adoption.

Art. 10
1. A child born abroad of a Swiss parent who possesses another nationality loses Swiss citizenship upon reaching the age of 22, unless by that time he/she is registered with a Swiss authority abroad or in Switzerland or has registered himself/herself or has declared in writing that he/she wishes to retain Swiss citizenship.
2. If the child has lost his/her citizenship under Paragraph 1, his/her children also lose it.


You will not be able to acquire citizenship by birth. You will have to go through the regular naturalization route.

Art. 12
Regular naturalization provides Swiss citizenship with naturalization in a canton and a commune. The naturalization is only valid if an authorization for naturalization has been issued by the federal authorities.

Art. 15
The request for authorization for naturalization can only be submitted by an alien who has lived in Switzerland for a total of 12 years, three of which within the last five years prior to presenting the request. In the 12-year period, the time during which the applicant lived in Switzerland between attainment of age ten and attainment of age twenty counts double; as does the time during which he/she lived in Switzerland while married to a man/woman who is Swiss by birth.
This regular naturalization is only possible if the residence is in Switzerland and it follows a stay of several years.
Besides the above-mentioned minimum conditions, regular naturalization falls exclusively under the jurisdiction of the cantons and communes which may make further stipulations and decide freely whether or not they wish to grant the alien cantonal and communal citizenship and thus Swiss citizenship.


In order to stay remain in Switzerland for an extended period, you need obtain a residency permit. There's a ton of threads on that subject
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

Thank you for the information. However, the Swiss Embassy in my home country has informed me that I am indeed eligible to apply, and several people on this forum have been naturalized due to their Swiss ancestry. How does that align with the information you provided? Thanks, Swissroots
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Thank you for the information. However, the Swiss Embassy in my home country has informed me that I am indeed eligible to apply, and several people on this forum have been naturalized due to their Swiss ancestry. How does that align with the information you provided? Thanks, Swissroots
If the Swiss Embassy in your home country fully understood your heritage, you should still probably be okay. The law allows you access to facilitated naturalization as a 'foreign child' who was not able to acquire Swiss nationality because, before his/her birth, one of his/her parents had lost Swiss nationality (6. Article 31b Naturalization Act). So if, due primarily to your grandmother's negligence, your Swiss parent lost his/her citizenship, you're still on the right track.

BTW, the same article states: 'There must be close links with Switzerland.'
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

Thanks Texaner,

The situation is this: My grandmother was not initially allowed to keep her Swiss citizenship because she married a non-Swiss in the 1930s. Subsequently, the law was amended and she claimed her Swiss citizenship back. However, the law still did not allow a Swiss woman to pass citizenship to her children, so my mother and her siblings could not become Swiss nationals. Then, they changed the law to allow children of Swiss mothers to receive citizenship if they were born after a specific date, and gradually opened it up to children of Swiss mothers born earlier. This was only a few years ago. By this stage my mother and I decided to pursue this issue and both her and I are interested in applying. My mother is over 70 though and she may decide not to go ahead at this stage, but the Embassy people told me that I could still apply anyway.

As I mentioned, I have strong connections with Swiss companies, friends, my grandmother's cousins, the Embassy staff at home etc. so I think I do have strong ties.

If you have information that could be useful with regards to the above, I would appreciate it.

Thanks again!

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Hello everyone,

I hope this is not a repeated thread, but I need advice on the following please:

I intend to apply for Swiss naturalization based on my Swiss grandmother's nationality. I have all the documents needed and a copy of the application form. My question is regarding the timing of my application. At the current time, I have visited Switzerland once for a period of two weeks for work and to reconnect with my grandmothers cousins and become better acquainted with the country.

I have family there and strong connections with the Swiss Embassy and Swiss businesses and organizations for my work. I speak a little bit of French and I'm working on improving my French language skills.

My questions are:

1. Should I apply now or wait till I have visited Switzerland more often and improved my French?
2. If I apply now and am not granted naturalization, can I reapply in the future?
3. Is there any way to download the application form online or do is it have to be filled manually?

Thanks!

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I am realy lost on this one
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Old 19.04.2012, 01:42
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Hello,

What are you lost about specifically? Maybe I could clarify.

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What are you lost about specifically? Maybe I could clarify.

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You have strong connetion to the swiss embassy.The must have all the answers to all you questions
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I have asked the Swiss Embassy the questions I wanted, but I was also interested to hear the experiences of people who have gone through the process themselves.
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Re: Swiss Naturalization - Swiss Grandmother

Dear ...
After going through the replies, kindly note the following for your situation:
1- you should have gone to Switzerland at least 3-4 times within the last 10 previous years of your application. Minimum or 3
2- you could apply, however, if you don’t have strong connections with Switzerland, and don't apply until you do. Strong connections meaning that at least 5-6 people could send letters of recommendation about you and your visits to them and your Swiss language proficiency.
The recommendation letters will be asked by the ODM come on a later stage after you apply...
3- Since there are no Swiss clubs in Amman to go to, I propose to go to the Swiss functions which they have to the public and try to document these.
4- Since you are a Jordanian, you have to apply from your country. Doing that from the states will not be accepted.
5- Taking French courses is a must .. You could do it in Switzerland or in the French Cultural Center in Luwaibdeh where I advise you to get the certificates of hours studied.
Since you are eager to take your grandmother's nationality I advise you to strengthen you connection to Switzerland by traveling to Switzerland and knowing Swiss people in Jordan that could give a nice and decent letter of recommendation after knowing them for some time.
6- last ..I would also recommend to connect with the relatives of your Grandmother, since this will strengthen the connection and your case for the Nationality.

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4- Since you are a Jordanian, you have to apply from your country. Doing that from the states will not be accepted.
You do not need to apply from the country of which you are a citizen. You need to apply where you are legally resident.
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