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Receipt of Swiss social help=threat to B permit?

Hello,

I am looking for an answer for the above question.
Is that true that the B permit, even for an EU citizen, can be annuled or modified to L permit if its holder receives a social welfare financial aid in Switzerland?

Your answers will be appreciated.
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Old 23.04.2012, 22:12
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Re: Receipt of Swiss social help=threat to B permit?

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Hello,

I am looking for an answer for the above question.
Is that true that the B permit, even for an EU citizen, can be annuled or modified to L permit if its holder receives a social welfare financial aid in Switzerland?

Your answers will be appreciated.
I doubt it will be renewed at all, unless there is very good reason. Unless you have a job or are self funded your not entitled to a B permit.
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Old 23.04.2012, 22:13
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Re: Receipt of Swiss social help=threat to B permit?

Unless the law has been changed since:

http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...as-heisst-das/

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Employed persons from EU / EFTA countries and their family members are generally entitled to Swiss social assistance. But those who are terminated from his job himself, loses his right of residence may, if he applies for a long time social assistance. An existing residence permit may be revoked. Anyone over 15 years residing continuously in Switzerland, may lose office as a rule only because of a longer-term imprisonment.

Persons who have been admitted for a self-employed and no longer practice this need, also have their own financial resources to remain in Switzerland can. You can lose their right of residence if they are on social assistance.
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Re: Receipt of Swiss social help=threat to B permit?

I have been in receipt of social help since the beginning of March only but I have heard that if a holder of B permit exceeds 12 months of receipt of the benefits, their B permit can be revoked.

I was full-time employed till the second half of February, now I will be self-employed starting from the next month. I barely touched a social help and I have already received a letter from the cantonal authorities asking me how long I would see my future in Switzerland.

I see that I need to cancel the social help and to write to the cantonal authorities that I will manage to make money on my own when I am self-employed.
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I have been in receipt of social help since the beginning of March only but I have heard that if a holder of B permit exceeds 12 months of receipt of the benefits, their B permit can be revoked.

I was full-time employed till the second half of February, now I will be self-employed starting from the next month. I barely touched a social help and I have already received a letter from the cantonal authorities asking me how long I would see my future in Switzerland.

I see that I need to cancel the social help and to write to the cantonal authorities that I will manage to make money on my own when I am self-employed.
Weren't you eligible for unemployment benefits?
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Weren't you eligible for unemployment benefits?
No, I wasn't but as far as I am aware, the same law in Switzerland applies for foreigners on unemployment benefits and in receipt social help: you cannot exceed 12 months on the Swiss social welfare, otherwise the B permit can be cancelled or transformed into L permit.

The Swiss laws are constantly changing in this matter. A year ago this country granted the 8 countries from the EU (Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc.) the same rights to the job market in Switzerland as in case of the 15 EU-countries. From 1st May 2012 they want to limit the issue of B-permits to the members of EU-8 who seek a job in Switzerland after that date. Simonetta Sommaruga, the minister of justice in Switzerland stated that since May 2011 around 6000 B-Permits were issued to the EU-8 nationals and in her opinion that was too much. Now they want to limit B-permit to 2000/a year for the EU-8 nationals.
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Re: Receipt of Swiss social help=threat to B permit?

I think you saw my replies on a similar thread... it seems to me it depends on the canton you live in, on your social worker and also on your personal circumstances.

I'm EU, B Permit, only worked for 3 months before being signed off sick. I went on RI in February 2010. I lost my job around the same time. Since then I've had periods where I've been signed off 100%, and periods where I've had a partial medical certificate. I've never had any of my (5) social workers say anything about my permit being changed to an L permit, never had any letter asking me about my plans. When I asked my social workers, they all said "First get better, then look for a job, and we'll worry about your permit when it comes up for renewal."

There are also big posters in the office where my social worker is based reminding all RI claimants that if their B permit is up for renewal, they can get a statement saying they are on RI and the renewal will be free! So they don't seem to be too worried about it being revoked.

I have recently been told that if my permit renewal should be problematic, they will send me to an organisation who have a "very good record" in getting the authorities to change their mind again.

I start working at 40% next month, finally. I won't be earning enough to come off RI. They're not worried about that either. They just keep saying it's such a good thing my voluntary role has become a paid role and isn't it great I'll be in such a supportive environment...

So from my experience, RI doesn't pose immediate threat to a B permit, nor does it become a problem after 12 months, and I have been told not to worry too much about renewal.

All of which I am very thankful for!

Out of interest, to the OP, have you asked your social worker (I assume you have one)? They might be able to give you concrete information about your case, and why you're getting this 'pushy' treatment. It might be something you can resolve. (For example, my social services get periodically concerned about the fact that my rent is higher than the norms. Long story... but showing I've taken that on board and jumping through their ever-changing hoops on that issue makes them much happier.)
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Re: Receipt of Swiss social help=threat to B permit?

Being signed off sick is not the same as collecting social benefits because you have no job. IIRC it even comes from a different pot.

It will be very difficult to renew your permit if you are (or in some cases have) collected social benefits.
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