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Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

As per subject..

Is it possible to arrive and just work in a cafe for a few months?

We're moving to Geneva and my girlfriend will be taking some distance courses so only can work some casual part time work untill she can finish the courses and get a full time contract.

Will she be issued with a B permit?

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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

Hello Alan,

I suspect you have inadvertently missed the stickies on top?
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

No, I read the stickies, and a lot about permits etc.

I assume she can get a permit, I just was'nt sure as when people speak about work permits it normally means for professional contract signed employment right?

I'm just not sure what the deal is with respect to casual cafe etc, or other part time employment where a signature/contract may not be involved.
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No, I read the stickies, and a lot about permits etc.

I assume she can get a permit, I just was'nt sure as when people speak about work permits it normally means for professional contract signed employment right?

I'm just not sure what the deal is with respect to casual cafe etc, or other part time employment where a signature/contract may not be involved.
No signature, no contract, no work permit.

Black work isn't a very good idea either, for plenty a reason.
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

I don't mean Black work. I mean non-professional work.

If she is an EU citizen, entitled to a work permit, right?

I guess I mean is there any restrictions on the type of work done or the number of hours done?
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I don't mean Black work. I mean non-professional work.

If she is an EU citizen, entitled to a work permit, right?

I guess I mean is there any restrictions on the type of work done or the number of hours done?
No restriction whatsoever - however the permit is not delivered without a contract; even if it's one hour a day taking the garbage out.
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Old 05.11.2007, 22:13
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

I understand that, as Switzerland has signed Schengen, EU citizens (with some restrictions in some of the new members) may obtain a job. However, as if you decide to work in....let´s say Portugal...., you have to register within the authorities.
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I understand that, as Switzerland has signed Schengen, EU citizens (with some restrictions in some of the new members) may obtain a job. However, as if you decide to work in....let´s say Portugal...., you have to register within the authorities.
Schengen has nothing to with it.

Shorrick has answered the question.
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What is wrong with the answer?

Excuse me, swissbob, his case is the same as mine as EU citizen. He asked:"Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?"
The answer is yes, and Schengen explains the free circulation of workers.
I do not think my answer has "nothing to (do) with it" dear swissbob.
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Old 08.11.2007, 20:01
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Excuse me, swissbob, his case is the same as mine as EU citizen. He asked:"Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?"
The answer is yes, and Schengen explains the free circulation of workers.
I do not think my answer has "nothing to (do) with it" dear swissbob.
Dear Martin,

Schengen is to do with border controls and their abolition and visas for people outside Schengen agreement countries entering these countries.

'Schengen' has nothing to do with work permits in Switzerland. EU countries in or out of the Schengen agreements have equal rights to work here with a job contract. Anyway Switzerland has yet to implement the Schengen agreement (projected November 2008)...
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Yes AbFab, you are right...

Dear AbFab, sorry for my previous mistaken post to the threaders. You are 100% right. I was confused with that point.

The answer to alanmack is then positive, despite the irrelevancy of my post. As shorrick said, mutatis mutandi, no contract no permit; but as an EU citizen, what they will do? The swiss will not expulse an EU citizen to his EU country just because at the present he has no permit.
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The swiss will not expulse an EU citizen to his EU country just because at the present he has no permit.

Um, I wouldn't be quite as adamant about that.
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

It works like this:
EU citizens can work and live here without a problem. But to live here permanently (ie more then 3 months as a tourist in tourist accommodation) you will need to register with your local town hall. You cannot rent housing without being registered.
In order to register you will need to have or be in process of obtaining a permit/Ausweiss/permis. (L, B etc which will also be dealt with by the town hall). However permits are only granted to people who can support themselves or are claiming asylum. This means for 99% of us we need to have a job offer in writing or a contract to show at the town hall.

So EU citizens can come here and apply for 'Café' work for a few months. They are advised to have the EU passprt handy to prove this at any interview...
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

Yes AbFab, very helpful. This situation will remain until November 2008? After November it will be different? How different?

That means dear AbFab, that if my sister (I mean an EU citizen) wants to come, she may not rent an apartment, because, without job offer, she cannot register, and therefore, cannot rent a flat? so in practice, the 3 months period to search a job are not useful then!
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Yes AbFab, very helpful. This situation will remain until November 2008? After November it will be different? How different?
What changes in 2008 is the implementation of the Schengen agreement which is unrelated to the work permit issue.

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That means dear AbFab, that if my sister (I mean an EU citizen) wants to come, she may not rent an apartment, because, without job offer, she cannot register, and therefore, cannot rent a flat? so in practice, the 3 months period to search a job are not useful then!
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She can register for a six-month job-seeker permit. Although landlords will not be renting out to her, there are also other types of accomodation that she can fall back on.
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

Hi one and all,

I am new to the forum and not yet in Switzerland but the whole visa issue is of concern. I have a Swiss girfriend who has accommodation in Zurich. I am planning on coming out to stay with her for a year...or more. For the first few months, maybe a year I am going to study German and am not looking for work but see mention of the three months as a tourist in tourist accom above and wonder if I this is something that would apply to someone like me. I am an EU resident (UK)

If I stay over three months would I just haveto register at the town hall...no accom needed as she already has some or would I need a visa even to study...is not at uni but at one of the language schools.

I have asked the Swiss consul in the UK but as yet no reply. Any useful links?

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Hi one and all,

I am new to the forum and not yet in Switzerland but the whole visa issue is of concern. I have a Swiss girfriend who has accommodation in Zurich. I am planning on coming out to stay with her for a year...or more. For the first few months, maybe a year I am going to study German and am not looking for work but see mention of the three months as a tourist in tourist accom above and wonder if I this is something that would apply to someone like me. I am an EU resident (UK)

If I stay over three months would I just haveto register at the town hall...no accom needed as she already has some or would I need a visa even to study...is not at uni but at one of the language schools.

I have asked the Swiss consul in the UK but as yet no reply. Any useful links?

Thanks. Dragoman
I am not sure I am 100% right but I think I am. As I understand it an EU citizen can come here and as long as they have accommodation and a guarantee from someone - anyone - they can apply for a residence permit. As a residence permit is a defacto work permit they can then work. The problem really is the permit type. If they have no job contract then what permit will they be given an L which is restricted to 12 months or a work-seekers permit 6 months. If they move over with a partner they will get the same permit as the partner. So I suppose the key is to move at the same time as your partner and avoid the problems. You don't physically need to be present the whole time ie you can take a weeks holiday from work and come to do the paperwork but you need to be on your partner's application.

If not then you are left with either the L permit or the work-seekers permit. Or alternatively apply later to be on your partners permit but that is not so easy.

However, I don't think it is quite as black as others have suggested...
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So I suppose the key is to move at the same time as your partner and avoid the problems.
The partner is apparently Swiss and already here, Richard.
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

Hi, Richard, Shorrik MK2, hi again,

Thanks for the info. Yeah partner is Swiss and lives in Zurich, obviously long term the plan is that I will move out to be with her but in the immediate was not sure what the score was...plan is move out and study for the year then think about work so looks like maybe the 12 month residents permit, because if I got work I could work on this permit anyway couldn't I and then just apply to extend, or am I just dreaming....Dragoman
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Re: Can an EU citizen work part time (i.e cafe work) in Switzerland?

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